Wednesday, October 31, 2018

Stephen Smoot, Et Incarnatus Est: The Imperative for Book of Mormon Historicity

My friend Stephen Smoot has an article that was recently published by the Interpreter Foundation:



It is a reworking of a previous blog post addressing this topic, with some additional material, such as an interaction and refutation of a frankly stupid article by “Yakov ben Tov” (who is refuted in the comments section, too [I have an inkling who this fellow is, and if I am correct, needless to say I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for him is an understatement]).

Stephen's article is very important and, as with all his other contributions published by Interpreter and elsewhere, is very informative. He shows that there is no meaningful foundation to an "inspired fiction" approach to the Book of Mormon.

Scary Message for Halloween

I have been coughing up a lung since Friday(*), so I have not posted a lot. Notwithstanding, I decided to post a Halloween-themed post, something that will scare (and infuriate) those from a Millennial Mormon-themed group I left after a certain regressive leftist wished to engage in language policing:

There are only two genders.

And another thing for the member of the language police:

The Book of Mormon is historical, not a modern fabrication by Joseph Smith.

And for those who are not regressive leftists, here is the scariest thing known to mankind (biological male and female--that exhausts the category of "mankind," sorry CT et al): the water temple from Zelda: Ocarina of Time:





(*) off-topic, but as I have discussed my poor health on this blog a few times, I go in for surgery in February, so prayers/positive thoughts will be appreciated that it will go well and will help with at least some of my health issues.

Sunday, October 28, 2018

Daniel C. Arichea and Eugene A. Nida on water baptism in 1 Peter 3:21

In their translator’s handbook for First Peter, Daniel C. Arichea and Eugene A. Nida render 1 Pet 3:21, a popular text supporting water baptism being the instrumental means of regeneration, thusly:

which was a symbol pointing to baptism, which now saves you. It is not the washing off of bodily dirt, but the promise made to God from a good conscience. It saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Commenting on this passage and the theology thereof, they write:

The text as it stands makes baptism (or the water of baptism) as the agent who saves. A careful reading of the whole verse, however, indicates that which now saves you should perhaps go with through the resurrection of Jesus Christ at the end of the verse (compare 1.3), and the TEV has made this clear (compare Brc “It is the resurrection of Jesus Christ that that makes this saving process possible”; NEB “It [baptism] bring salvation through the resurrection of Jesus Christ”). Understood in this matter, baptism is clearly not the agent but the instrument of salvation (for example, NEB “water of baptism through which you are now brought to safety”), and the implicit agent of salvation is God (compare 1.3-5). To express it in another way, it is because Christ is risen from the dead that baptism becomes an instrument through which God can make known his saving activity. If Christ were not raised, then baptism remains only a symbol not of life but of death. But since Christ is indeed raised from death, then the Christian is also enabled to rise from the water of baptism into a new life (compare Rom 6.1-11). (Daniel C. Arichea and Eugene A, Nida, A Translator’s Handbook on the First Letter from Peter New York: United Bible Societies, 1980], 121, emphasis in original)


 For more on 1 Peter 3:19-21 and other texts that support baptismal regeneration, see:


Daniel C. Arichea and Eugene A. Nida on 1 Peter 3:19

In their translator’s handbook for 1 Peter, Daniel C. Arichea and Eugene A. Nida offer the following translation of 1 Pet 3:19:

and in his spiritual existence he went and preached to the imprisoned spirits.

While noting that some commentators have argued that this relates to an event during or after the ascension, Arichea and Nida note the following grammatical problems with this interpretation:

First, the verb is primarily neutral, indicating simply movement which is either up or down; besides, in verse 22 the verb is qualified by “to heaven,” a qualification which is absent in the present context. Secondly, the verb here is in the aorist tense, indicating a specific action at a particular place and time; if the preaching occurred during the ascension, one would perhaps expect a participle, indicating a process. (Daniel C. Arichea and Eugene A. Nida, A Translator’s Handbook on the First Letter from Peter New York: United Bible Societies, 1980], 115)


Thursday, October 25, 2018

Stephen L. Richards on the Spirit of the Father filling the universe (cf. Jeremiah 23:24)


If a man enters a hiding place, Do I not see him--says the Lord. For I fill both heaven and earth--declares the Lord. (Jer 23:24 1985 JPS Tanakh)

In my post Does Jeremiah 23:24 pose problems for LDS theology? I addressed the common charge that this verse is problematic for Latter-day Saint theology that holds that the Father is embodied.

That Latter-day Saints do agree with this verse, namely that God’s spirit and the influence thereof fills the universe was something explicated by Elder Stephen L. Richards (1879-1959) at the  April 1951 General Conference, in comparison to our (currently) limited, mortal nature:

I believe that man has divine attributes emanating from divine lineage. The Spirit of the Father is distributed through the Universe, and influences all life and all things.

There is a spirit in man which, within the limitations of his contacts in life, radiates from him and touches the lives and things about him. This spirit may be called personality. Whatever it is called, it exists and it is a potent force. When once set in motion it cannot well be controlled, but fortunately it is within our power to determine the characteristics which go into the structure of our lives and thus determine the influences and radiations which come from us. Our living will mold these characteristics into our lives. (Conference Report, April 1951, p. 87, emphasis added)



Wednesday, October 24, 2018

Robert Drews on Sickle Swords ("cimeters") in Late Bronze Age Egypt

Commenting on the topic of sickle swords ( scimitars [Book of Mormon "cimeters"]) during the Late Bronze Age (3000-1200 BC) in Egypt, Robert Drews wrote:

Before the arrival of the Naue Type II sword, the only slashing weapon used by men of the eastern kingdoms was the “sickled sword” (see figure 3a), found all over the Near East but not in the Aegean. This “sword,” which bears some resemblance to an American farmer’s corn knife, evolved from an axelike weapon of the Middle Bronze Age whose edge seldom exceeded 25 centimeters in length. In the Late Bronze Age the sickle sword sported a somewhat longer edge but still provided a slash within a very narrow range. The entire weapon was seldom more than half a meter, with the handle accounting for almost half of that length. One must imagine it slicing into an opponent’s flesh rather than breaking or cleaving his bones. Although it undoubtedly served very well for cutting off an opponent’s penis or hand during the collection of trophies, it was evidently too small to cut off his limbs while the battle still raged. Nor did the sickle sword have much else to recommend it. Because of its shape it could not be used at all as a thrusting weapon, nor could it be sheathed: a soldier carrying it would never have both hands free. Despite its ubiquity from Hattusas to Egypt, it was not an impressive weapon . . . The traditional weapons of the eastern Mediterranean kingdoms continued in use until the twelfth century. A relief of Ramesses III on the north wall at Medinet Habu shows twenty native Egyptians, all hand-to-hand warriors, guarding a line of captives. Each Egyptian carries a spear in his right hand and another weapon in his left. Of the weapons in the left hand, six are dirks, six are rods, and seven are sickle swords. Not one of the Egyptian infantrymen carries a long sword. (Robert Drews, The End of the Bronze Age: Changes in Warfare and the Catastrophe C.A. 1200 B.C. [Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1993], 196, 198)

On p. 197, figure 3a, mentioned in the above text, reproduces the image of this sickle sword:





This is yet another nail in the coffin of the claim that “cimeters” in the Book of Mormon is an anachronism in the text.

For more, see:


Tuesday, October 23, 2018

FairMormon blog Responding to Internet Criticism of Kerry Muhlestein


I recently came across this informative blog post defending the scholarship of Dr. Kerry Muhlestein, a Latter-day Saint Egyptologist who has commented much on the Book of Abraham and the authenticity thereof:

Reverend Spalding Strikes Again: A Response to Internet Criticism of Kerry Muhlestein’s Book of Abraham Videos

The ignorance of one Egyptologist on the issue of the Book of Abraham, Kara Cooney, is exposed, too, showing that simply because one has a PhD does not mean that they are necessarily informed about all matters in their particular field.



Michael Heiser - Responding to James White on Psalm 82 and John 10

James White has recently (lamely) attempted to defend his dated interpretation of Psa 82 and John 10 (i.e., it is about human judges; not a divine council of heavenly/divine beings). A fan of Michael Heiser on youtube has responded showing that White is rather clueless about biblical scholarship:

Michael Heiser - Responding to James White on Psalm 82 and John 10



For more, be sure to see the Heiser/Bokovoy discussion on the Latter-day Saint interpretation of these passages (which he mentions in this video):

Michael Heiser, You’ve Seen One Elohim, You’ve Seen Them All? ACritique of Mormonism’s Use of Psalm 82

David Bokovoy, “Ye Really Are Gods”: A Response to Michael Heiser concerning the LDS Use of Psalm 82 and the Gospel of John





The "I know what you are thinking--I, too, have been there" tactic

Some former members of the Church like to pull the "I know what you think and where you are at the moment--I used to be there, too!" line. Michael Flournoy has pulled this tactic  recently:

In all fairness, I understand what the author is getting at. I was a Mormon missionary myself. I’ve had all the same experiences and the same testimony. It’s not like I woke up one morning and mists of darkness covered those feelings up. I walked away with them intact, and it was excruciating. So why did I do it? Like so many others, I was compelled to follow my conscience and take up the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

Just a word to the wise, only use this if you are actually informed about the Church, unlike Michael who has embarrassed himself time and time again after he embraced the false "gospel" of Protestantism, evidenced by the following:





True Righteousness for Evangelical Protestants


Monday, October 22, 2018

John Taylor on the Atonement

During the October 12, 1883 meeting of the Salt Lake School of the Prophets, the following, relating to the nature of Christ’s atonement, was discussed by John Taylor:

Prest. Taylor said: There is a great deal of carelessness regarding the taking of the Lords supper. People should always remember Him and his atonement then they do so. It was instituted that He might be brought to the remembrance of His Saints. The tokens, sacrifices, etc., of the ancient church were emblematical of the atonement; it is the one thing running through the whole of the Scriptures. Men offered up the blood of animals, doves, etc. God offered up his own son. (Salt Lake School of the Prophets, 1867-1883 [ed. Devery S. Anderson; Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 2018], 526, emphasis added)

What is important about this statement is that this serves as a refutation of the common (though false) concept of penal substitution, wherein God the Father has to get his pound of flesh and imputes the guilt and sin (at least of the elect) to the body of Christ and Jesus acts as their penal substitute. Instead, God offered up Christ as a selfish act, giving up His beloved Son to be our advocate, similar to how the worshippers in Old Testament times gave up something that, for them personally (not necessarily “in the eyes of the law”), had great value (namely, animals such as sheep and doves).

For a refutation of the Protestant (mis)understandings of the nature of the atonement, see, for e.g.:



 This should not be seen as a denial that God has wrath against sin or that Christ appeases such as a result of his sacrifice, resurrection, and on-going intercessory. For more, see:



John Taylor's April 28, 1883 Revelation and Contingent Foreknowledge

In an unpublished revelation of John Taylor dated April 28, 1883, commanding the reconvening of the Salt Lake School of the Prophets, we read the following:

These things belong to my Priesthood; but more properly to the School of the Prophets, who should be made acquainted with my laws. Let the School of the Prophets be organized, even all such as are worthy, but if they are found unworthy they shall not have a place in my school, for I will be honored by my Priesthood; and let my laws be made known unto them as may be deemed expedient. (Salt Lake School of the Prophets, 1867-1883 [ed. Devery S. Anderson; Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 2018], 461, emphasis added)

What is rather striking is the constant use of conditional language (“let” and “if”), which is rather suggestive, not of exhaustive, but contingent foreknowledge, at least in the theology of this particular revelation.

For a discussion of this and other unpublished revelations of John Taylor, see:


Richard Neitzel Holzapfel and Christopher C. Jones “John the Revelator”: The Written Revelations of John Taylor

The Salt Lake School of the Prophets on whether the entire congregation should kneel during the Sacrament Prayers


And the elder or priest shall administer it; and after this manner shall he administer it-- he shall kneel with the church and call upon the Father in solemn prayer, . . . (D&C 20:76)

While reading the minutes of the Salt Lake School of the Prophets, one topic that gets discussed here and there is whether the entire congregation should kneel during the blessing of the bread and wine (now water). The following are from the minutes dated February 16, 1874:

Elder L[orenzo] D[ow] Young enquired if it ^whether^ was not right ^necessary^ for those who ^receive, and also^ administer the Sacrament to kneel with the congregation, as per Doc[trine] & Cov[enants].

Prest D H Wells said since that book was published, the Church has grown, and instructions given in an early day when all the members could meet in a small room, were not always suited to its after growth, so that we must not regard them as being binding under all circumstances. Even Joseph [Smith] before his death blessed the Sacrament in a standing position, and the members meeting in a Grove, where it would not be wisdom to kneel.

Elder E[lias] Morris enquired if it was not right for any member doing wrong such as getting drunk, to make a public confession of that wrong before partaking of the Sacrament.

Prest Wells said it would not be wisdom especially in a mixed audience, as it would do more harm than good, but if a man sin let him be dealt with according to the law of the Church. (Salt Lake School of the Prophets, 1867-1883 [ed. Devery S. Anderson; Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 2018], 432-22)



Discussion about the Role and Status of the Holy Spirit in the Salt Lake School of the Prophets

The following are from the minutes dated July 28, 1873, for the Salt Lake School of the Prophets where pneumatology was discussed (e.g., the question of people receiving the Holy Ghost before the time of Jesus and whether the Holy Spirit is a “person”):

Elder Joseph F. Smith said, in his remarks which he made at Tooele yesterday, that there was no necessity of the Holy Ghost being given to the disciples while Jesus was with them, but after He left them, the Holy Ghost was to be given them ^to be^ in the stead of Jesus Christ. He was led to make those remarks without any previous reflection, and he did not now know whether they are strictly correct or not—on reading a few passages from the New Testament he thought they were correct.

Elder O[rson] Pratt, read on page 45. D[octrine] [and] C[ovenants] showing the Father to be a personage of Spirit, and the Son a personage of tabernacle, being filled with the spirit of the Father. No man on earth can act in the name of the Father and the Son, only as they were filled by the spirit of God.

Elder A[ngus] M Cannon always had an idea that the disciples when sent out to by Jesus to preach & heal the sick &c, received the Holy Ghost and acted under the influence of that spirit.

Elder Geo Q Cannon refer’d to the case of the Prophet Alma [Book of Mormon] where the Holy Ghost was freely bestowed upon his brethren from under his hands, and from other quotations, he thought the Holy Ghost must have been enjoyed by the servants of God before Jesus came as well as after he left.

Elder O Pratt quoted from the Book of Mormon and the pearl of great price, shewing that the Holy Ghost had been enjoyed by the people of God since the days of Adam.

Elder John W. Young, fully endorsed the remarks of Geo Q Cannon, and he also considered that it was necessary for even Jesus himself to have the Holy Ghost, as shown by what took place at his baptism.

Elder Joseph F. Smith also endorsed the same views, yet while Jesus was here, and He being greater than in point of Presidency & position [in the godhead], might he not perform the duties of the Holy Ghost towards his disciples. He always considered the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage in the Godhead, as much so, as either the Father or the Son. He also believed that the Holy Ghost had been enjoyed by the servants of God in all ages of the world.

Elder N[athaniel] H Felt, did not consider the Holy Ghost to be a personage of.

Pres D[aniel] H Wells, quote the words of John, there is one coming who is mightier than I. He shall baptize with Fire and the Holy Ghost. He always ^believe^ the Holy Ghost was a personage of Spirit that before Jesus come in the flesh, he had a body of Spirit of his ^own^ that the Father also had a spirit of his own.

Elder O Pratt, said, in a printed discourse of the Prophet Joseph [Smith], he said that the Holy Ghost was a personage of Spirit. During the personal ministry of Jesus, it was not clear to him that the personage of the Holy Ghost was given during the Saviours Ministry.

Prest B[righam] Young. He Saviour could not be preached ^as Christ crucified^ before he came in the flesh and was crucified ^performed his mission^. The Holy Ghost was Gods Minister, and had a tabernacle of Spirit. and ministers The Spirit that revealed to Peter ^that Jesus was the Christ^ came from God. In the new translation ^of the Bible^ the dove that rested upon the head of Jesus, is ^was^ a token or sign that he had received the Holy Ghost, and the Father was pleased with what he had done—but ^not^ until Jesus came and finished his work, did ^was^ the Holy Ghost commenced ^dispensed to all t^ to help the Saviour in building up the Kingdom of God. The Spirit proceeding from Jesus convicts men of the truth of this work, this fact makes the wicked mad, and want to fight against it.

The Spirit of Christ rested upon the disciples when they went forth to preach and heal the sick, but the Holy Ghost was not given until Jesus ascended. (Salt Lake School of the Prophets, 1867-1883 [ed. Devery S. Anderson; Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 2018], 383-85)



Ian Shaw on the Racial and Ethnic Makeup of Ancient Egyptians

As there is a lot of misunderstanding (and, at times, utter nonsense) by some members of the Church, both in the past and even today, about the racial identity of Egyptians based on misreading various texts in the Book of Abraham, I am reproducing the following on the topic:

The Racial and Ethnic Identity of the Egyptians

There are a number of different ways in which we can define the ancient Egyptians themselves as a distinct racial and ethnic group, but the question of their roots and their sense of their own identity has provoked considerable debate. Linguistically, they belonged to the Afro-Asiatic (Hamito-Semitic) family, but this is simply another way of saying that, as their geographical position implies, their language had some similarities to contemporary languages both in parts of Africa and in the Near East.

Anthropological studies suggest that the predynastic population included a mixture of racial types (negroid, Mediterranean, and European), but it is the question of the skeletal evidence at the beginning of the pharaonic period that has proved to be most controversial over the years. Whereas the anthropological evidence from this date was once interpreted by Bryan Emery and others, as the rapid conquest of Egypt by people from the east whose remains were racially distinct from the indigenous Egyptians, it is now argued by some scholars that there may have been a much slower period of demographic change, probably involving the gradual infiltration of a different physical type from Syria-Palestine, via the eastern Delta.

The iconography of the Egyptians’ depictions of foreigners suggests that for much of their history they saw themselves as midway between the black Africans and the paler Asiatics. It is also clear, however, that neither Nubian nor Syro-Palestinian origins were regarded as particularly disadvantageous factors in terms of individuals’ status or career prospects, particularly in the cosmopolitan climate of the New Kingdom, when Asiatic religious cults and technological developments were particularly widely accepted. Thus the demonstrably negroid features of the high official Maiherpri did not prevent him from attaining the special privilege of a burial in the Valley of the Kings at about the time of Thutmose III (1479-1425 BC). In the same way, a man called Aper-el, whose name indicates his Near Eastern roots, rose to the rank of vizier (the highest civil office below that of the king himself) in the late 18th Dynasty. (Ian Shaw, “Egypt and the Outside World” in Ian Shaw, ed. The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt [New York: Oxford University Press, 2003], 308-23, here, p. 309)




The King of Egypt Receiving the Names of Two Female Deities: Parallels to Figures 2 and 4 of Facsimile 3

In figures 2 and 4 of facsimile 3, Joseph Smith identified two female-looking figures with men:



Fig. 2. King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.

Fig. 4. Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.

Some critics have objected that this is a blunder, though they never really inform us as to why Joseph Smith would identify two obviously female-looking characters as men. Furthermore, there is ancient Egyptian precedent for Joseph Smith’s commentary—indeed, in ancient Egypt, biological men would, in liturgical contexts, dress as female deities. For a full discussion, see In Facs. 3, what about Joseph's blunder of mistaking Osiris for Abraham and - incredibly - women for men?? by Jeff Lindsay.

Interestingly, the king of Egypt, as part of the liturgy of his enthronement, not only took a Horus name but two female names. As Jaromir Malek wrote:

In ancient Egypt, the king enjoyed a special position as a mediator between the gods and people, an interface between divine and human, who was responsible to both. His Horus name identified him with the hawk god (of whom he was a manifestation), and his nebty (‘two ladies’) name related him to two tutelary goddesses of Egypt, Nekhbet and Wadjet. (Jaromir Malek, “The Old Kingdom (c. 2686-2160 BC)” in Ian Shaw, ed. The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt [New York: Oxford University Press, 2003], 83-107, here, p. 92)


 One such example was that of King Unas (Horus Wadj-tawy, 2375-2345 BC).

Sunday, October 21, 2018

Salt Lake School of the Prophets on Eucharistic Theology, Liturgy, and Practice

During the meeting of the Salt Lake School of the Prophets for January 20, 1873, the topic of Eucharistic theology and liturgy was discussed. As I have discussed issues relating to the Eucharist/Lord’s Supper many times on this blog (e.g., the listing of articles at Responses to Robert Sungenis, Not By Bread Alone (2000/2009) as well as Why I believe the Sacrament should be restricted to Baptised Latter-day Saints) I found the following to be rather interesting:

Q[uestion:] Is the parking of the sacrament an ordinance that remits sins, if partaken worthily. Some said yes.

Pres D.H. Wells remarked, that according to the revelation it was the imperative duty to see an of Parents to see that their children were baptized f when 8 years old. T When any one sins, the best way to have them forgiven, was to sincerely repent of those sins, and be baptized for their remission. We ought to be careful and not use harsh words so as give offence and wound the feelings of others. He then mentioned a case where one brother had been called a thief &c by another, and had frequently sought to heal up the breach for a reconciliation, but the other refused. The injured party had refused the Sacrament, and Prest Wells had told him that inasmuch as he had sought a reconciliation and was refused, he had better partake of the sacrament, and let the sin rest upon the head of the obstinate one.

Elder J[oseph] F. Smith referring to the revelation pertaining to the partaking of the Sacrament, where it spe teaches the Elders & Congregation to kneel while observing ^it^, it would much accord with his feeling, for it to [be] attended [to this way] by Saints alone, and not in mixed [faith] congregations. He did think it ^a^ most sacred ordinance.

Q[uestion:] Should Children before baptism receive the sacrament?

Elder O[rson] Pratt did not think they should. When he had seen it offered to them by others, he thought O Fool ^he felt that it was wrong^ that while they are subjects of the Kingdom of God, but they are not members of the Church of Christ for whose benefit the Ordinances of the Gospel were instituted. He should much like to see the Sacrament administered in a more exclusive way ^than we do^--where persons not in the Church are not present.

Elder N H Felt highly appreciated the practise of kneeling while partaking the sacrament, but did not object to outsiders being present, but in this as in everything else, the living oracles being here, the spirit [of the law] giveth life, while the letter [of the law] killeth.

Prest D H Wells said that Children who are willing to partake of the Sacrament, he should never refuse them, he loved to see them partake of it, and they are just as much members of the Kingdom of God, before baptism as after.

Elder A[ngus] M Angus [Cannon], said he had taught his children to partake of the Sacrament, and always thought he was doing a right—and felt comforted by the remarks of Prest Wells.

Elder N H Felt entertained the same views, and had taught his children the same. (Salt Lake School of the Prophets, 1867-1883 [ed. Devery S. Anderson; Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 2018], 336-37)



Another refutation of the myth that 19th century church leaders taught only polygamists would be exalted

In the  minutes for the July 2, 1870 meeting of the Salt Lake School of the Prophets, we read the following comments which refute the myth that to qualify for exaltation, one must be a polygamist:

Elder Geo Q Cannon read the following ^several^ questions. are we to understand, on the subject of plural Marriage and ^was^ answered by Elder Prest. Geo A. Smith and Prest. B Young who said, to understand it require a ^clear^ perceptive mind, susceptible to the spirit of the Lord—A man thrown in circumstances where he cannot enjoy the blessing of Plurality [of wives] [and] yet [is] a firm believer in the doctrine—such a one will certainly not lose his exaltation. (Salt Lake School of the Prophets, 1867-1883 [ed. Devery S. Anderson; Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 2018], 100)



Brigham Young refuting the myth that there were "neutrals" in the war in heaven

Commenting on the claim that there were “neutrals” during the war in heaven, we read the following from the minutes for the Salt Lake School of the Prophets:

December 25, 1869; Saturday

The School of the Prophets met. Many questions were asked by the members and answered by President Brigham Young. Elder Lorenzo Snow asked if the spirits of negroes were neutral in Heaven, as some one had said that the Prophet Joseph [Smith] said they were? President Young said; No, they were not, there were no neutral spirits in Heaven at the time of the rebellion, all took sides. If any one says they heard the Prophet Joseph say that the spirit of the blacks were neutral in Heaven, he would not believe them, for he heard Joseph say to the contrary. All spirits are pure that came from the presence of God. The posterity of Cain are black because he committed murder. He killed Abel and God set a mark upon his posterity. But the spirits are pure that enter their tabernacles and there will be a chance for the redemption of all the children of Adam, except the sons of perdition. Wilford Woodruff made a speech upon apostasy. (Salt Lake School of the Prophets, 1867-1883 [ed. Devery S. Anderson; Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 2018], 44, emphasis added)



Joseph Smith receiving a remission of sins before his baptism and water baptism being salvific

For the minutes for the Salt Lake School of the Prophets for December 9, 1872, the question of Joseph Smith receiving a remission of sins before water baptism was discussed and whether this was problematic for the Latter-day Saint doctrine of baptismal regeneration. Part of the minutes reads thusly:

Elder Orson Pratt made a few opening remarks, and enquired if the members of the school had any special subject on their minds, they wished investigated, if not, he proposed the reading of Revelations, as suggested by Prest. Brigham Young. Section 2nd. Paragraph 1st [of the Doctrine and Covenants]. Several interesting remarks were made by Elders Orson Pratt & John Taylor on Chronology. The time of the organization of the Church was, according to the Vulgar [common calendar] or Incorrect Era—1830 years [and four months] since the birth of Christ. But according to the true Era it was exactly 1830 years.

Paragraph 2nd. The Prophet Joseph [Smith’]s sins were remitted before baptism—and the enemies of this kingdom sometimes uses that fact against the doctrine of Baptism for the remission of sins, but God has a right when he sees fit, to depart from any fixed rule or order, but this does not invalidate the general doctrine as taught in the Testament & Book of Mormon that Man is required to observe water baptism as the only means of securing of a forgiveness ^remission^ of sins. (Salt Lake School of the Prophets, 1867-1883 [ed. Devery S. Anderson; Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 2018], 321-22)


Further Reading 



The role of humanity in divine forgiveness


And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. (Matt 6:12)

Commenting on this verse, and the theology thereof, especially the role of human instrumentality in divine forgiveness, J. Samuel Subramanian wrote:

In Matt 9:5, Jesus says to the paralytic, “your sins are forgiven.” Jesus tells Peer to offer forgiveness seventy times seven. No conditions are demanded (Matt 18:22). However, divine forgiveness involves a human response. Again, the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matt 18:23-25 evokes the idea of a human response in light of divine forgiveness. Divine forgiveness is free, conditional, and prevenient, but it evokes “a human responsiveness in transforming concern from oneself to others, but neither says anything about deserving forgiveness.” The petition for divine forgiveness helps the followers of Jesus understand not only how much God has forgiven them, but also how much they are obligated to transmit divine forgiveness to others. (J. Samuel Subramanian, “The Lord’s Prayer in the Gospel of Matthew” in Allan J. McNicol, David B. Peabody, and J. Samuel Subramanian, eds. Resourcing New Testament Studies: Literary, Historical, and Theological Essays in Honor of David L. Dungan [London: T&T Clark, 2009], 107-22, here, pp. 120-21)



J. Samuel Subramanian on Matthew 6:13

Commenting on Matt 6:13, one scholar wrote the following about the meaning of the verse:

3. “And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.”

The sixth petition, the third “we” petition, agrees verbatim with Didache 8:2. The parallel (fifth) petition in Luke 11:4 has only the main clause (“And do not lead us into temptation”). The petition can be illustrated by the example of Jesus himself. In the story of Gethsemane, Jesus told his disciples to pray so that they may not enter into temptation (Matt 26:41). Before Jesus began his public ministry, he was tempted by the devil three times, and be overcame those temptation by the power and the word of God (Matt 4:1-11; cf. Luke 4:1-13). The petition for asking God not to be led into temptation implies one’s dependence on God because God alone can provide help in time of temptation. A Jewish prayer that seems to provide the background for the last petition reads, “Bring us not into the power of either sin or of transgression or iniquity or of temptation or shame . . . keep us far from an evil man and an evil companion” (b. Ber. 60a). This Jewish prayer suggests that God is not an active agent behind temptation, but some other evil impulse is behind it (cf. Jas 1:13-16). In Job 1:6-12, God seems to be a permissive force behind temptation. However, God does provide a way of escape from temptation (1 Cor 10:13).

The main issue in the interpretation of this last petition depends on the word πειρασμος, which ordinarily refers to “temptation.” Brown interprets the πειρασμος in the context of an eschatological trial, such as is reflected in the Book of Revelation: “Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you free from the hour of trial (πειρασμου) that is coming on the whole world to test (πειρασαι) the inhabitants of the earth” (Rev 3:10). In the Gethsemane scene, Jesus urges his disciples to pray to that they may not enter into the time of trial (Matt 26:41; cf. Matt 24:1-36). Brown asserts that the last petition is a petition for the trial of the end time and “the Christian community should take this instruction to pray and apply it to the final trial.” But Davies and Allison point out that the sixth petition, and third “we” petition, in Matt 6:13a should be understood in relation to Jesus and the church after him, including the commentary of Matthew, who interpreted their present in terms of the “messianic woes” (Matt 10:34-36; 11:12-13; cf. Rom 8:18; 1 Cor 7:26; Col 1:24; 2 Thess 2:7; Rev 7:9-17). For Jesus and the church, in the view of Davies and Allison, “every individual test or trial would inevitably be conceived as belonging to the eschatological drama.” The petition for divine support in the context of Matthew not only helps the followers of Jesus to resist succumbing to present trials or temptations but also prepares them to face the end-time trials with courage and endurance (cf. Matt 24:9-14).

The second clause of the temptation petition, “but deliver us from evil,” is found only in Matthew (Matt 6:13b; cf. Did. 8:2). It stands in a parallel position to the main clause of the petition and it emphasizes the reality of the power of evil from which deliverance is sought. The phrase του πονηρου is a favorite expression of Matthew. It occurs not only in Matt 6:13b but also in Matt 13:19 and 13:38, where it is associated with the “sons of the evil one” who snatch away the seed (the word of the kingdom) from the hearer’s heart. But the association of “the evil one” with “Satan” is not found in Matthew’s Gospel nor elsewhere in the New Testament. Therefore, there is no hard evidence to identity “the evil one” with “Satan.” It may, however, refer to the “evil inclination” or “evil work,” at attested in 2 Tim 4:18 (“evil work”—εργον πονηρου) and Did. 10:5 (“evil action”—εις το πονηρον. Therefore, the Matthean concluding petition contains not only a prayer for divine help in times of temptation in general but also a plea for divine deliverance from evil impulses in a precarious situation. (J. Samuel Subramanian, “The Lord’s Prayer in the Gospel of Matthew” in Allan J. McNicol, David B. Peabody, and J. Samuel Subramanian, eds. Resourcing New Testament Studies: Literary, Historical, and Theological Essays in Honor of David L. Dungan [London: T&T Clark, 2009], 107-22, here, pp. 121-22)

The JST of Matt 6:13 (v. 14 in the JST) reads "And suffer us not to be led into temptation, but deliver us from evil." On the JST, the Book of Mormon, and the meaning of the verse from an informed Latter-day Saint perspective, see:


Michael Tait on the divinization of the bride in Psalm 45

Psa 45 is a very important text, especially in light of the fact that Heb 1:8-9, one of the rare instances of θεος being used (albeit, in a secondary/subordinationist sense) of the person of Jesus.

In a work arguing for Mark having a high Christology (a thesis I agree with), Michael Tait offered the following commentary which is rather insightful, including a concept of a "divine feminine":

Divinising Features: The Bride

We return now to vv 11-3, the ‘insert’ consisting of an address to the new queen. She is to be united to the king and so will participate in his attributes including his divinity. Thus, like the king, she is addressed directly by the Psalmist. It is said that the rich of the people ‘seek her favour’ (פָּנַ֥יִךְ יְחַלּ֗וּ), the exact expression employed in Exodus 32:11 when Moses seeks the favour of Yahweh after the incident of the Golden Calf. Moreover, she is said to be ‘all-glorious.’ ‘Glory’ (כבד) is a common attribute of Yahweh in the Old Testament. This is true also in the Psalms. However, it is of relevant here that, on one occasion, in Ps 87:3, in the second set of Korah Psalms, it is ascribed to Jerusalem, the city of God and the mother of all peoples (in the allegorical relecture of Psalm 45, thus was precisely the role of the ‘bride’).

The king and queen thus portrayed are indeed a divine couple. At the same time a certain distance from God himself is always maintained, much as in the New Testament, even in the highest Christological passages, God is always the ‘God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ’ (eg Eph 1:3). Thus, in the two theological statements about the king’s status in vv 3 and 8, it is clear who is the source of all this bubbling-over of divinity. It is God who has blessed the king for ever (v 3) and anointed him with the oil of gladness (v 8). This state of affairs could well be reinforced if הוּצַק in v 3 and ת וּבַל in v 16 are regarded as divine passives, in which case it is God who has poured out the king’s grace and God who leads the bride on her companions to her husband. Such delegated divinization, it may be observed, is very different from the self-divinisation of the rich in Ps 49. (Michael Tait, Jesus, The Divine Bridegroom, in Mark 2:18-22: Mark’s Christology Updated [Analecta Biblica 185; Rome: Gregorian and Biblical Press, 2010], 193-94, emphasis added)



Tim O'Neill on the Historicity of Jesus

Atheist historian Tim O'Neill recently discussed the (overwhelming) evidence for the historicity of Jesus on the Non Sequitur show:



For Tim's interactions with the arguments of Richard Carrier, see here.





Travis S. Kerns on the Importance of the Christological Debate between Latter-day Saints and Trinitarians

In a recent work attempting (lamely) to critique Latter-day Saint theology, Protestant apologist Travis S. Kerns (correctly) notes the importance of Christology:

Former LDS president Gordon B. Hinckley perhaps said it best when he wrote, “Ours ought to be a ceaseless quest for truth.” That ceaseless quest cannot end within the context of Latter-day Saint theology. The quest can only end when Latter-day Saints find the Christ of historic, orthodox Christianity. (Travis S. Kerns, The Saints of Zion: An Introduction to Mormon Theology [Nashville, Tenn.: B&H Academic, 2018], 23)

. . . Christians show ultimate interest in a person’s Christology because one’s Christology has eternal implications. (Ibid., 45)

Of those disagreements, however, the disagreement over the nature of the central figure of the Christian faith is the most significant. Both Latter-day Saints and traditional Christians claim to follow Jesus. Both claim Jesus as their own. One has “Jesus Christ” in its church title. The other calls itself “the Christian church.” But in the end, who is this Jesus? One’s answer to this question has eternal ramifications. (Ibid, 55)

Unfortunately for Kerns, it is Latter-day Saint, not (creedal/Latin) Trinitarian Christology which is biblical. See, for e.g.:


Another Protestant Apologist Assuming, but Not Proving Sola Scriptura

In a recent work from a Reformed Protestant apologist, Travis Kerns, who has purportedly been studying The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints since 1996, the author, as with most Protestant critics of the Church, assumes but never attempts to prove the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, which is the formal doctrine of Protestantism. Indeed, to understanding the importance of this doctrine, note the following comments from the author’s book:

To say the doctrine of sacred texts is important would be a dramatic understatement. One’s doctrine of holy writ informs many other doctrines and offers vital information concerning a person’s understanding of deity, humanity, and many other theological issues. (Travis S. Kerns, The Saints of Zion: An Introduction to Mormon Theology [Nashville, Tenn.: B&H Academic, 2018], 71)

Put in a more concise way, the idea that the Bible alone is sufficient for all things is simply not a Latter-day Saint idea. (Ibid., 79)

In light of McConkie’s mention of additional revelatory information needed for biblical interpretation, he also argued, “One of the great heresies of modern Christendom is the unfounded assumption that the Bible contains all of the inspired teachings now extant among men.” Therefore, as McConkie would likely maintain, Latter-day Saints believe the Bible to be one part of revelation, but not the entire corpus of authoritative revelation from heaven . . . although the Bible is God’s word to humanity, it is not the final word from heaven. Third, although the Bible is God’s word to humanity, it is not inerrant or infallible. (Ibid., 80, 81)

To review, then, there are three theological reasons, from a Latter-day Saint perspective, for continuing revelation. First, the Bible is believed to be incomplete. Second, the scriptural canon is believed to be open. Third, Latter-day Saints believe it is necessary to continue to hear from God. (Ibid., 107)

It will not surprise people to know that no exegesis of biblical texts are provided in the book, which is rather disingenuous as the author wishes to see Latter-day Saints syphoned off into his flavor of Protestantism, evidenced by the following:

It will be argued throughout this book that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are not to be considered Christians in a soteriological sense due to the major theological differences with historic, orthodox Christianity. In other words, because of the significant differences between Mormon beliefs and historic, orthodox Christianity, any person holding to the theology of the LDS Church will not inherit the kingdom of heaven after death. (Ibid., 2 n 2)

For a thorough refutation of Sola Scriptura, including a lengthy exegesis of 2 Tim 3:16-17, see:


Friday, October 19, 2018

Jennifer Marie Creamer on the Authenticity of Paul's Speech at the Areopagus in Acts 17

Writing in defence of the accuracy of the record in Acts 17 of Paul’s speech at the Areopagus, Jennifer Marie Creamer offered the following considerations against the thesis that the speech is an example of a speech invented, more or less, out of whole cloth, as some have argued:

A few considerations in favor of an accurate rendering of the Areopagus speech include the following:

1. Luke establishes his concern for accuracy in his writing in the prologue of his gospel. Concern for accuracy was expressed by historical writers of the Hellenistic period. The historian Polybius (second century B.C.), criticized a certain Timaeus for inventing speeches rather than recording the actual words:

The special province of history is, first to ascertain what the actual words used were; and secondly, to learn why it was that a particular policy or argument ailed or succeeded . . . The historian therefore who omits the words actually used, as well as all statements of the determining circumstances, and gives us instead conjectures and mere fancy compositions, destroys the special use of history. In this respect Timaeus is an eminent offender, for we all know that his books are full of such writing. (Histories 12.25)

Continuing his negative evaluation of the writing of Timaeus, Polybius asserts the necessity of carefully investigating a topic among reliable eyewitnesses as well as researching documents:

Study of documents involves no danger or fatigue, if one only takes care to lodge in a city rich in such records, or to have a library in one’s neighbourhood. You may then investigate any question while reclining on your couch, and compare the mistakes of former historians without any fatigue to yourself. But personal investigation demands great exertion and expense; though it is exceedingly advantageous, and in fact is the very corner-stone of history. (Histories 12.27).

Lucian (second century A.D.) also stressed accuracy in historical writing and the importance of eyewitness investigation. In his work, How to Write History, Lucian describes the careful historian: “As to the facts themselves, he should not assembly them at random, but only after much laborious and painstaking investigation. He should for preference be an eyewitness, but, if not, listen to those who tell the more impartial story” (VI. 47).

2. It is not impossible that a written form of the speech did, in fact, exist. Eckhard Schnabel details the procedure for an orator giving a declamation in the eastern Mediterranean world. An orator would usually be given one day in which to prepare a speech. The declamation would be written down and then memorized by the speaker: “In the early imperial period, such declamations were often copied and circulate in the city. There is evidence for this practice related to Athens” (2005:176).

3. There is abundant evidence for writing in the ancient world (Millard, 2001:17-229). Clerks used abbreviated forms of writing for recording council proceedings and debates in legal courts as far back as the Classical period. Evidence for shorthand in Greece exists from the second century B.C. onward (Millard, 2001:175-176). Furthermore, there is evidence that ancient philosophers took notes. Diogenes Laertius mentioned that Xenophon took notes on Socrates’s teachings (Lives II48). He also mentioned that the Stoic philosopher Cleanthes took notes on Zenos’s lectures (Lives VII.174). Flavius Arrian took copious notes on lectures by his teacher, Epictetus, also a Stoic philosopher (Oldfathr, 1998:xii). It is possible that someone in the Areopagus could have recorded the speech at the time it was delivered.

4. It is generally accepted that ancient letter writers kept copies of their letters. These copies may have been retained in parchment codex form (Richards, 1998:155-166). Paul, likely, also retained parchment copies of his letters. He places great value on his parchments when he requests Timothy to bring them to him in Rome: “When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, also the books, and above all the parchments” (2 Tim 4:13, NRSV). If Paul kept a notebook of his letters, it is possible that he could have also kept a copy of his speech in Athens.

5. Memorization was emphasized far more in the ancient world than it is now. In Memory and Manuscript, Gerhardsson details the rigorous demands of rote memorization of oral texts in the religious education of Jews (1998:93-112). Memorization of Torah passages was considered the most elementary stage of learning: “Knowing the basic text material in the oral Torah by heart is an elementary accomplishment, presupposed of every teacher and pupil at the more advanced stage” (1998:101). Rabbis would call on their teaching assistants, known as tannaim, to recite verbatim—from memory—any text needed for a class (1998:94). This emphasis on memorization found its counterpart in the Greek would with Homeric rhapsodists (1998:95). Paul’s speech may have been memorized. In addition, the Spirit could have assisted in memory recall (14:26).

6. Luke spent a considerable amount of time with Paul. Although he was not with him in Athens, he was with him on other occasions. Paul may have known about Luke’s writing projects and could have been consulted for feedback regarding accuracy.

If Luke, the companion of Paul, is the author of Acts, it is not impossible that he could have recorded words of the actual speech of Paul in Athens. In summary, both Polybius and Lucian outline standards of best practices for historians. The expectation was accurate written history that was based on sound research. According to Polybius, speeches should record the exact words spoken. Luke seems to be an historian of this order. It is possible that a written record of the speech may have existed and that Luke could have had access to it, as well as to the author, in person. It is likewise possible that Luke could have had a personal interview with someone who had been present for Paul’s speech in Athens and had memorized it accurately, such as Dionysius or Damaris (Acts 17:34). Finally, the Holy Spirit could have reminded Paul or an eyewitness of the words spoken at the Areopagus. (Jennifer Marie Creamer, God as Creator in Acts 17:24: An Historical-Exegetical Study [Africanus Monograph Series vol. 2; Eugene, Oreg.: Wipf & Stock, 2017], 12-15)