Saturday, October 14, 2023

D. Charles Pyle on Isaiah 44:24

(1) The text in this place, as well as other places, was heavily conditioned by scriptures sometime after circa 630 to 613 BCE, beginning at the time of the aftermath of the so-called “Deuteronomist Reforms” to modify the original theological pronouncements of the older texts (this, of course, would not necessarily account for both the major differences in style and apparent lateness of some of the vocabulary used in Isaiah chapters 40-66, as compared with Isaiah 1-39).

 

(2) This passage is one of those passages that have been interpolated into the original text of Isaiah sometime after Isaiah penned his texts, and an anthology assembled. (If so, we could just as well ignore and dismiss it now . . .

 

(3) Jesus, as Jehovah, is speaking as if he were the Father and here is giving the total credit for the whole of the creation to the Father, even though he, the Son, was the intermediary through whom the entire universe was made (the Greek New Testament states that this intermediary is also distinct in number). Incidentally, this text seem to be a favorite among some Jews who are engaged in polemics against Christians. Why? Christian doctrine also posits that a someone was with God during the creation, and that that someone was the Son by whom the creation of God was carried out. According to the New Testament, the Father was not alone in the creation. The early Christian doctrine involving this situation has as precedent a literal understanding of the situation of Wisdom with God at the creation in the Greek Septuagint text (Proverbs 8:22-31). Several early Christian writers posited that the Wisdom in that selfsame passage was none other than the Lord Jesus Christ himself—long before his own incarnation! Another passage in Proverbs also can be seen as a basis for the idea of a Son of God. This is a rhetorical question asked by the author of this passage in Proverbs (Agur the son of Jakeh), wherein he asks:

 

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?

 

So, God had someone with him. It might be seen as a serious contradiction between this arrangement and the very text of Isaiah—if we were to ignore the fuller contexts and take this above Isaiah text both literally and at face value, as it currently stands. . . .

 

(4) Israel had a serious problem with worshipping other creator-gods and savior-gods of their foreign neighbors. It is possible that the LORD (in the Kethiv) attempted to prevent that very issue from happening by simply asking a rhetorical question, not mentioning anyone else involved but himself. Had the LORD then mentioned that there were others involved, Israel probably would have gone off and tried to worship the others as well! This sort of thing precisely was what the LORD also was trying to discourage throughout Isaiah chapters 40-48, assuming no changes to any one of the texts. As discussed above, the text of Isaiah 44:9-17 is the immediately preceding context that governs interpretation of Isaiah 44:24, and other passages quoted above from the same section of Isaiah.

 

(5) Alternatively, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, are in this place described as a perfect unity, and therefore could use those first person, singular pronouns, etc., found in this verse, thus conflicting neither with the text of Abraham 4 (nor with any other passages from other LDS scripture texts), not with LDS doctrine. This same kind of language is used throughout the Bible (even more so in the Old Testament than in the New) to express various forms of unity. For example, the Church is spoken of as one body, using singular pronouns and verbs to describe the actions of this body (Ephesians 4:16) which is composed of separate and distinct members or individuals. (Compare also 1 Corinthians 6:17, wherein the text states that whoever “is joined to the Lord is one spirit.”)

 

Once this is fully understood and comprehended, Latter-day Saint doctrine actually and truly has little to no problems with any aspect of the idea of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost being represented as one God. Indeed, says John Taylor: “The Lord appeared unto Joseph Smith, both the Father and the Son.” (Journal of Discourses 21:65)

 

D. Charles Pyle, I Have Said Ye Are Gods: Concepts Conducive to the Early Christian Doctrine of Deification in Patristic Literature and the Underlying Strata of the Greek New Testament (Revised and Supplemented) (North Charleston, S.C.: CreateSpace, 2018), 138-41

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