Monday, January 20, 2020

Robert Sungenis Refuting Protestant Attempts to Downplay Paul's Use of David in Romans 4


In King David Refutes Reformed Soteriology, I quoted Roman Catholic apologist Robert Sungenis' discussion of David being re-justified per the theology of Paul in Rom 4 (cf. Psa 32). In his commentary on Romans and James, Sungenis wrote the following in response to the likes of James White who try to downplay the theological significance of Paul's use of David as an example of a justified person with Abraham:

Protestants may object at this point that to use David's life as an example of the justification Paul speaks of in Rm 4:5-6 is beyond the scope of Paul's intentions. One could argue that Paul is simply referring to the forgiveness of David's sins after he had already been justified, once-for-all, many years earlier. But this cannot be the case, for several reasons:

(1) Rm 4:6 . . . specifically says that David was "created with righteousness" in the event described in Psalm 32. Paul writes, "David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works." (Rm 4:5) Paul does not only say that Abraham was credited with righteousness; he also speaks of "the man" to whom God "credits righteousness," which man, in this case, happens to be David.

(2) To say that David was justified "once-for-all" prior to the incident in Psalm 32 is simply begging the question. The historical books give no indication that David had a single, point-in-time act of declarative justification such as Protestants are so apt to attribute to Abraham in Gn 15:6. The historical books, and many word pictures in the Psalms, presents David's life of righteousness as a collage of continuing, intermingled faith and works.

(3) To say that Paul would extract a few verses out of Psalm 32 without reference to either the context of Psalm 32 or the entire life of David would be to accuse Paul of the grossest form of contextual distortion that a reputable commentator ever perpetrated on Scripture. Who would dare to say that Paul would take a quote out of context to prove his own theological point, all the while knowing that the quote, if read in context, would never support that point? No doubt, the Bereans of Acts 17, faced with that kind of shoddy exegesis, would have totally rejected Paul's teaching.

(4) One cannot use a chronological basis to reject our analysis of David's justification, an attempt Protestants often make with the chronology of Abraham's justification. Scripture simply offers no specific chronological framework to David's faith, works, and justification in Scripture. The Epistle of James analyzes the justification of Rahab in a similar fashion. Unlike James's accounting of the life of Abraham that he separates into Genesis 15 and Genesis 22, he does not do so with Rahab. Instead, he highlights her works as the pivotal point of her justification, making no chronological distinction between her faith in God and her works in hiding the spies. James introduces the account of Rahab in Jm 2:25 with the important phrase, "In the same way," showing that Rahab's justification was "the same" as Abraham's justification. If Rahab's works were the crucial point in her justification, it follows that Abraham's works were the crucial point in his justification; otherwise, they would not be "the same." Similarly, Paul uses the same language as James by introducing David's crediting with righteousness in Rm 4:6 when he says, "David says the same thing," showing that David's justification was the same as Abraham's. Since the respective stories of David and Rahab show no chronological distinction between faith and works, Protestants cannot make chronology a factor in supporting their belief in a single point-in-time forensic justification. (Robert A. Sungenis, The Epistles of Romans and James [Catholic Apologetics Study Bible Volume III; Goleta, Calif.: Queenship Publishing, 2007], 266-67)


Sunday, January 19, 2020

Journey of Faith Documentaries

The following two documentaries on the Old and New World contexts of the Book of Mormon (produced a couple of years ago by the Neal A. Maxwell Institute [hard to believe these days!]) will be of interest, especially for those who wish to delve deep into the text as part of their studies for Gospel Doctrine this year:

Journey of Faith: The Old World



Journey of Faith: The New World










Saturday, January 18, 2020

Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible

Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible, an important resource, is available online to download as a PDF on Academia.edu. It is a lengthy (1,000 pages) resource and is indispensable for those who wish to study issues such as the divine council, various epitaphs for Yahweh, etc.

However, there is one glaring omission of an external supernatural being: "Mother-in-Law" ;-)

Is Satan dead?


On my Youtube subscriptions page, the following video came up:




One was reminded of the Christadelphian view of Satan (see, for e.g., Duncan Heaster, The Real Devil) from the comments from the participants in this episode, including from the Catholic priest(!)

I have addressed the Christadelphian rejection of an external, supernatural Satan from the Bible, including the following:








On the Christadelphian movement itself, see:



Origen vs. Formal Sufficiency of the Bible


Origen (185-254) is a witness against the formal sufficiency of the Bible being an early Christian belief. Consider the following from his On First Principles:

The faith is transmitted and preserved through orderly succession from the apostles and exists, not in inscripturated revelation merely:

Since many, however, of those who profess to believe in Christ differs from each other, not only in small and trifling matters, but also on subjects of the highest importance, as, e.g., regarding God, or the Lord Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit; and not only regarding these, but also regarding others which are created existences, viz., the powers and holy virtues; it seems on that account necessary first of all to fix a definite limit and to lay down an unmistakable rule regarding each one of these, and then to pass to the investigation of other points. For as we ceased to seek for truth (notwithstanding the professions of many among Greek and Barbarians to make it known) among all who claimed it for erroneous opinions, after we had come to believe that Christ was the Son of God, and were persuaded that we must learn it from Himself; so, seeing there are many who think they hold the opinions of Christ, and yet some of these think differently from their predecessors, yet as the teaching of the Church, transmitted in orderly succession from the apostles, and remaining in the Churches to the present day, is still preserved that alone is to be accepted as truth which differs in no respect from the ecclesiastical and apostolical tradition. (De Principiis, Preface: 2 [ANF 4:239])

The Church is necessary to correctly interpret the Bible and (non-inscripturated) revelation forms a basis in such interpretation:

Now the cause, in all the points previously enumerated, of the false opinions, and of the impious statements or ignorant assertions about God, appears to be nothing else than the not understanding the Scripture according to its spiritual meaning, but the interpretation of it agreeably to the mere letter. And therefore to those who believe that the sacred books are not the compositions of men, but that they were composed by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, agreeably to the will of the Father of all things through Jesus Christ, and that they have come down to us, we must point out the ways (of interpreting them which appear (correct) to us, who cling to the standard of the heavenly Church of Jesus Christ according to the succession of the apostles. (De Principiis, 4.1.19 [ANF 4:357])

For more, see:


Not By Scripture Alone: A Latter-day Saint Refutation of Sola Scriptura

Thursday, January 16, 2020

Royal Skousen on the Question of Use of the KJV in the Production of the Book of Mormon and the JST



(4) Did Joseph Smith hand over a marked-up Bible to Oliver Cowdery when he came to the biblical quotations in the Book of Mormon?

Oliver Cowdery’s misspellings tell us that the answer is no. Joseph Smith dictated the biblical quotations, just like all the rest of the Book of Mormon.

(5) When Joseph Smith produced his “New Translation” of the Bible in 1830-33 (now known as the Joseph Smith Translation), did he hand over a copy of the 1830 edition to the scribe to correct the biblical text from?

In this case, we have clear evidence that this is precisely what Joseph Smith was willing to do (unlike what he did when he dictated the Book of Mormon text in 1828-29). There is at least one clear case of this procedure, and perhaps others as well. (Royal Skousen, The History of the Text of the Book of Mormon, Part 5: The King James Quotations in the Book of Mormon [Provo, Utah: The Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies and Brigham Young University Press, 2019], 5, emphasis added)


Royal Skousen on Isaiah 51:19-20 in 2 Nephi 8:19-20

In his recent book on KJV quotations in the Book of Mormon, Royal Skousen offered this suggestion to explain the differences one finds between Isa 51:19-20 in the KJV and 2 Nephi 8:19-20 when it is quoted by Jacob:

There are a few differences in the Book of Mormon quotations that appear to be fully intended:

Isaiah 51:19-20           these two things are come unto thee . . .thy sons have fainted.
2 Nephi 8:19-20           these two sons are come unto thee . . . thy sons have fainted save these two

In this passage, the Book of Mormon emends the Isaiah passage by replacing the italicized things in verse 19 with sons and then later adding the phrase “save these two” in verse 20. The revised Book of Mormon reading appears to be referring to Revelation 11:1-12 and its prophecy about two prophets who will use incredible powers to hold back the armies of the nations that will surround the temple mount in Jerusalem prior to the second coming of Christ. (Royal Skousen, The History of the Text of the Book of Mormon, Part 5: The King James Quotations in the Book of Mormon [Provo, Utah: The Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies and Brigham Young University Press, 2019], 141)

While I do not agree with Skousen, I am sure such would lend itself somewhat to Blake Ostler's "expansion theory" (though I do not see that being Skousen's intention).


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