4 Five rhetorical questions follow which seem to underline the point that has been made about the great divide between the divine and the human. The speaker is not identified; it could be Agur himself who exalts God by these questions, or an imagined interlocutor. A. Barucq claims that v 4 is spoken by God. In any case, it seems obvious that the answer to the first four queries is: God. The questions are reminiscent of those that God directs to Job in Job 38–41. The only suggestion of sarcasm occurs at the end of the fifth question, “if you know”; cf. Job 38:18. This final question of v 4 is really a double question, and the obvious answer (God) to the first seems to be canceled by the nature of the second question: What is the name of the son? Are the questions as simple as they seem, or is some sort of riddle involved? The first four questions are straightforward: (1) God moves between heaven and earth. The idea of a human making such a move to flee from God is entertained by the psalmist in Ps 139:8, only to be recognized as impossible. What is odd is the question itself, since God is already in heaven by definition. But perhaps the question, even unconsciously, recalls the question about the torah in Deut 30:12, “who of us can go up to the heavens and get it?” Another even more pointed biblical echo is found in Bar 3:29, “who has gone up to heaven and taken her (wisdom!).” For a thorough investigation of the topos of heavenly ascent and descent in the ancient Near East, see the study by R. C. Van Leeuwen, who concludes (“Background,” 121): “The main purpose of the topos is to reaffirm the great gulf that separates humans from the divine realm and the prerogatives of deity, such as immortality, superhuman knowledge, wisdom, and power.” (2) This question is picturesque—holding the wind in the hollow of the hand. According to Amos 4:13, God created the wind, which he contains in vaults; cf. Ps 135:7. (3) The third query deals with the rainwater that is described as in Job 26:8; the “cloak” is the clouds that contain the rain. (4) Finally, it is God who has established the ends of the earth, i.e., the furthest confines; cf. Ps 22:28; see also Prov 8:27–29. (5) But the fifth question is totally different from the previous ones. It concerns identity, and it begins with “what” and not “who.” It is not easy to answer. Many commentators see it as sarcastic and ironic, as the last two words may suggest. But it is not clear why the name of the son is included with the question. Whybray remarks in his commentary that “this is not an enquiry after the nature of the identity of the creator-god; rather, Agur is asked ironically to name a human being able to do these things.” But why should a third party, “a human being,” be introduced here? Whybray is correct in pointing out that the reference cannot be to the “sons” in the heavenly court, since they are never identified by name in the Old Testament.Irony, then, does not really explain the mention of the son or the query about the son’s name. This final question has the characteristics of a riddle. If so, the most challenging explanation has been offered by P. Skehan, who finds an answer in the data of the heading (v 1, Agur, son of Jakeh [יקה]). Translated, Agur means “I am a sojourner,” and this correlates with Gen 47:9, where Jacob describes himself to Pharaoh, “the number of the years of my sojournings (מגורי) is 130 years.” And the psalmist, Ps 39:13, describes himself as a גר, a תושׁב, “a transient.” By his very name then, Agur suggests that he is a mere mortal inhabiting this earth. In addition, his denial of having knowledge of the Holy One (v 3) is reminiscent of the γνῶσιν ἁγίων, “knowledge of holy ones,” attributed to Jacob in Wis 10:10. The allusions in this passage become more striking. The initial question about going up to heaven and coming down can be associated with Gen 28:12–13 where Jacob’s dream is described: he sees “angels of God” going up and down a ladder that reaches to the “heavens,” and the Lord is standing beside Jacob. Agur is a Doppelgänger for Jacob, and Jacob/Israel is the Lord’s son according to Exod 4:22, “Israel is my son, my firstborn.” Agur/Jacob, then, is the son of יקה (spelled in English as Jakeh in v 1). But who is יקה? He is the Lord. The name יקה is “an abbreviation of Yhwh qādōš hūʾ, an antecedent to the well-known haqqādōš, bārûk hūʾ of later times” (Skehan, Studies, 43). According to this explanation, the answer to the riddle in the fifth question is: Agur (= Jacob/Israel), the son of the Lord. One should recall the mention of riddles in the prologue to the book of Proverbs, 1:6. The final question of v 4 has created a riddle out of vv 1–4. Van Leeuwen (NIB., 5:251) disagrees with the riddle interpretation because everyone knew the name YHWH. But the point of the riddle is to lead the reader to the acknowledgment of the Lord’s creative power and (covenant) relationship to Agur-Israel, not to reveal the sacred name. It may be objected that the answer to the first four questions is too obvious to form a riddle, but the riddle is not really there; it is in the final double question. The very obviousness of the first four questions sets the reader up, as it were, for the last mysterious question. (Murphy, R. E. [1998]. Proverbs [Wallas: Word Bible Commentary, Vol. 22, pp. 228–229])
Tuesday, November 17, 2015
Roland Murphy on Proverbs 30:4
Sunday, November 15, 2015
Eating and drinking Christ's body and blood: Proof of Transubstantiation in John 6?
Why Jesus
Probably Would Not Correct the Misunderstanding of Unbelievers
Instead of correcting unbelievers, it is far more likely that
Jesus would not have corrected them. After all,
unbelievers are “already condemned” (John 3:18), whereas believers already
possess eternal life (John 5:24). Why, then, would Jesus need to
explain himself to those who are already condemned? Catholic
apologists sometimes argue as if Jesus had a moral obligation to speak
plainly. But Jesus did not come to explain himself to
unbelievers: “For judgment I came into the world, so that those
who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind” (John
9:39). And again, “For this reason they could not
believe, for Isaiah said again, ‘He has blinded their eyes and he hardened
their heart, so that they would not see with their eyes and perceive with their
heart, and be converted and I heal them’” (John 12:40). Unbelievers in
John’s gospel do not understand because they cannot understand. They
have been blinded by the very revelation they reject, which is why they
frequently take his metaphors literally, missing the spiritual meaning of his
words.
Furthermore, we know it was Jesus’ preference to use “figurative
language.” And we know that the meaning behind Jesus’ figurative
language was never intended to be obvious. “These things I have
spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer
speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father”
(John 16:25). If we consider the fact that both the events and
discourse of John 6 take place chronologically before Jesus’
“hour,” then we should expect Jesus to be speaking more often in “figurative language”
than “plainly.”
Consider the ultimatum in John 6:53: “Truly, truly, I say
to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you
have no life in you.” Catholic apologists sometimes argue
that “truly, truly,” precludes figurative language. Yet the parable
of the Good Shepherd also begins with the words “Truly, truly” (John 10:1), and
is clearly not to be taken liteally: “This figure of speech Jesus
spoke to them, but they did not understand what those things were which he had
been saying to them” (John 10:6). John 6:53, which
likewise begins with “truly, truly,” is in all probability, a “figure of
speech” as well.
Saturday, November 14, 2015
Early LDS on the importance of critical thinking
—[unsigned editorial [perhaps Samuel W. Richards]., Millennial Star, Vol. 14, Num.38, pp.594
Thursday, November 12, 2015
Jesus as an Apostle: Evidence for Subordinationism
Suggested works on Homosexuality and the Bible
Saturday, November 7, 2015
Baptism for the Dead in Early Christianity
Though most Christians stopped baptizing for the dead in the early centuries after Christ, documentary evidence makes it clear that the practice was known in various parts of the Mediterranean world and that it found ready acceptance in such areas as Egypt. The ordinance is especially attested in pseudepigraphic texts whose authorship is open to question; nevertheless, from their geographical distribution it seems that these documents were widely circulated among early Christian groups and therefore contain doctrines with which those Christians were familiar.
Monday, November 2, 2015
The importance of one's assumptions and presuppositions
I do not believe that there is a single revelation, among the many God has given to the Church; that is perfect in its fulness. The revelations of God contain correct doctrine and principle, as far as they go, but it is impossible for the poor, weak, low, grovelling, sinful inhabitants of the earth to receive a revelation from the Almighty in all its perfections. He has to speak to us in a manner to meet the extent of our capacities. (Journal of Discourses, 2:314 [July 8, 1855]).
Behold, I am God, and have spoken it; these commandments are of me, and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their language, that they might come to understanding. (D&C 1:24)
Your eyes have been upon my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and his language you have known, and his imperfections you have known; and you have sough in your hearts knowledge that you might express beyond his language; this you also know. (D&C 67:5)
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