Tuesday, May 9, 2023

Refuting Tony Brown on 1 Corinthians 15:29 and Baptism for the Dead

The following, from a recent (and poorly researched book) by a Protestant apologist shows that the author does not know what he is talking about:

 

Mormons will point to 1 Corinthians 15:29 as proof that baptism for the dead is biblical: ‘Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?’ (KJV) Cults will often pull verses out of their context to promote obscure doctrine. Though commentators may put forth different ideas to what the apostle was talking about, they all agree that Paul is neither advocating baptism for the dead nor claiming it to be something practiced by the early church.

 

When in 1 Corinthians 15 is read in context, it is clear that Paul is addressing the believers as ‘brethren’ in verse 1. Throughout he uses the words ‘you’, ‘we’ and ‘us’, except in one place. In verse 29 he says ‘what shall they do which are baptized for the dead?’ (my emphasis).

 

It is reasonable to assume that Paul is speaking of those who are not of the brethren of the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul could have been addressing a practice connected to the area of Corinth. However, as the Bible nowhere else mentions this practice, nor was it a practice of the early church, we can rightly say that it has never been Christian practice. (Tony Brown, Sharing the Gospel with a Mormon [Leyland, England: 10Publishing, 2023], 53-54)

 

On the “Pronoun” Argument

 

The author clearly does not know Greek (and if he did, did not bother to check this argument for accuracy). Here is the Greek of 1 Cor 15:29 from the NA28:

 

Ἐπεὶ τί ποιήσουσιν οἱ βαπτιζόμενοι ὑπὲρ τῶν νεκρῶν; εἰ ὅλως νεκροὶ οὐκ ἐγείρονται, τί καὶ βαπτίζονται ὑπὲρ αὐτῶν

 One way to translate the Greek would be:

 

Else why are the ones being baptised on behalf of the dead ones? If the dead are not raised at all, then why are the ones being baptised on behalf of the dead ones?

 

The Greek text does not have the pronoun “they.” Instead, it uses a present passive participle, literally, “the being baptised ones” (οι βαπτιζομενοι). Contra Tony Brown who harps on the pronoun “they” and their ignorance of the original language texts, the verse is entirely neutral towards the question of whether Paul himself was in favour of this doctrine (though some commentators argue that v.30 shows Paul associated himself with those who were baptised on behalf of the dead).


Now, in n attempt to get around the LDS apologetic response to the "pronoun argument" from 1 Cor 15:29, some argue that, as οἱ βαπτιζόμενοι ("the being baptised ones") is in the third person plural, Paul is still establishing a dichotomy between himself and those engaged in proxy baptisms. However, this is just as lame as the "they" argument. How so? Note 1 Cor 11:16:


But if anyone is inclined to be argumentative, we do not have such a custom, nor have the churches of God. (NASB)

In this verse, Paul includes both himself and the churches of God as separate entities, notwithstanding their being presented as doing the same thing. In other words, just because Paul uses the third person does not mean he is distinguishing between himself and those spoken of in the third person

In addition, as a friend noted in a facebook group about 1 Cor 15:29:

 it is third person plural but not in a way that denotes an “us vs. them” dichotomy. For example, consider the following two very similar sentences in English.
“Why do people go to church?”
“Why do those people go to church?”
One sentence is specific in separation from the speaker, one is ambiguous and can in fact include the speaker as one of the “people”. Both use a third person, but only one specifically uses pronouns to make a comment about a group that the speaker does not consider himself in company with.

The anti-Mormon "counter" to LDS apologists on 1 Cor 15:29 is a failure.

While rejecting the “proxy baptism” reading of the verse, Eastern Orthodox priest and scholar Stephen De Young wrote the following against the “pronoun argument” of 1 Cor 15:29

 

Saint Paul refers to “those who are baptized for the dead,” meaning that he is referring to a particular group. There are some who are baptized for the dead, and others who are baptized, but not “for the dead.” It is important to notice that the word “baptized” is passive in both uses in this verse. It is not “those who baptize for the dead,” but “those who are baptized for the dead.” The action here being described is something done by those who are being baptized, not by the baptizer. So the fact that St. Paul refers to “those who” does not mean that is is some other sect outside of what would be recognized as Christianity. This verse isn’t speaking of people who perform some type of baptism other than Christian baptism, but rather to a group of people who receive Christian baptism in a certain way. (Stephen De Young, The Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Century [Chesterton, Ind.: Ancient Faith Publishing, 2021], 142)

 

Modern Scholarship on 1 Cor 15:29


 

It cannot be denied that Paul is here speaking of a vicarious baptism: one is baptised for the dead to ensure for them a share in the effect of baptism, and this must relate to a post-mortal life. It is also clear that Paul himself refers to this baptismal practice, and without distancing himself from it (This is the embarrassing perception which is the reason for some (comparatively few) interpreters making an imaginative attempt to ignore that this relates to a vicarious baptism). (Søren Agersnap, Baptism and the New Life: A Study of Romans 6:1-14 [Langelandsgade, Denmark: Aarhus University Press, 1999], 175-76)

 

Verse 29 is one of the most vigorously disputed passages in the NT. On the surface, it seems rather simple. Using the statement of the opposition as a springboard—there is no resurrection—Paul points to the inconsistency and futility of a practice of the Corinthians, i.e., being baptized on behalf of the dead. Despite the numerous attempts to explain this passage away, or get out of the difficulties and discomfort it causes, it seems better to accept the obvious surface meaning of the passage: Some Corinthians practiced a form of vicarious baptism. What is meant exactly by that, and when and under what circumstances it was practiced is impossible to answer . . . . (Scott M. Lewis, So That God May Be All in All: The Apocalyptic Message of 1 Corinthians 15,12-34 [Rome: Editrice Pontificia Universitá Gregoriana, 1998], 70-71, emphasis added)

Nevertheless many ancient and most modern writers understand this as a vicarious baptism received by baptized Christians on belief of deceased catechumens. The obvious difficulty is that Paul does not appear to offer any objection to this practice, so prevalent later among heretics. (John J. O’Rourke, “1 Corinthians” in Reginald C. Fuller, Leonard Johnston, and Conleth Kearns, eds. A New Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture [London: Thomas Nelson and Sons Ltd., 1969], 1159)

Rolf Furuli, at the time of writing, lecturer in Semitic languages at the University of Oslo, notwithstanding his book being a defence of the New World Translation, and, being a Jehovah’s Witness, rejecting (1) baptismal regeneration and (2) a conscious intermediate state (two foundational doctrines for posthumous salvation) admitted that the “traditional” rendering is the best, which supports the LDS view:

 

There can be no question that the most natural rendering of baptizomenoi huper tōn nekrōn would be “being baptized for the dead” or “being baptized in behalf of the dead.” In almost every other context, such a rendering would have been chosen. (Rolf Furuli, The Role of Theology and Bias in Bible Translation With a Special Look at the New World Translation of Jehovah’s Witnesses [Huntington Beach, Calif.: Elihu Books, 1999], 289)

   

This is another of those matters about which Paul and the Corinthians surely understood one another but which we cannot hope to fathom. The most obvious reading of the text would suggest that there are some at Corinth (note that Paul does not address them directly, but writes about them as an example) who are being baptized in behalf of dead persons, perhaps as representatives of dear ones who either never had a chance to respond to the gospel or who had died while being drawn to the faith. But the truth is that we simply do not know. Most surprising is that Paul did not oppose the practice, which seems to suppose either that grace is transferrable or that one can be a surrogate believer for another. Instead, Paul uses it to expose its folly if there is no resurrection of the dead. (J. Paul Sampley, “The First Letter to the Corinthians,” in The New Interpreter’s Bible, 12 vols. [Nashville: Abingdon Press, 2002], 10:982, emphasis in bold added)

 

One anti-Mormon author, while attempting to critique the Latter-day Saint practise of baptism for the dead, was forced into conceding that much of contemporary non-LDS scholarship accepts the LDS interpretation of 1 Cor 15:29:

Admittedly, many Christian scholars have supported the Mormon interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:29. Lutheran scholar Krister Stendahl, Protestant scholar Gordon Fee, and historian Raymond E. Brown have shown some agreement with Mormon interpretation of a proxy water baptism for the dead. Brown has claimed that “some Christians would undergo baptism in the name of their deceased non-Christian relatives and friends, hoping this vicarious baptism might assure them a share in the redemption of Christ.” (Matthew A. Paulson, Breaking the Mormon Code: A Critique of Mormon Scholarship Regarding Classic Christian Theology and the Book of Mormon [Livermore, Calif.: WingSpan Press, 2006, 2009], 122)


Patristic Evidence

David L. Paulsen, Kendel J. Christensen, and Martin Pulido wrote four articles for the Journal of the Book of Mormon and Other Restoration Scripture on posthumous salvation:






Additionally, when one surveys patristic scholarship, one views that posthumous salvation is an authentic belief of the early Church and that the early Christian interpretation of passages such as 1 Pet 3:18-20 is strongly paralleled to that in D&C 138, a revelation given to Joseph F. Smith in 1918. For those who wish to delve into this issue, see, for example:

Jeffry A. Trumbower, Rescue for the Dead: The Posthumous Salvation of Non-Christians in Early Christianity

Stephen Jonathan, Grace Beyond the Grave: Is Salvation Possible in the Afterlife?

Hilarion Alfeyev, Christ the Conqueror of Hell: The Descent into Hades from an Orthodox Perspective


Tony's friend, Mike Thomas who wrote the following in an article "The Mormon God," was a bit more careful in his comments about the patristics:

The concept is not mentioned elsewhere in the Bible or in other early Christian documents, with two exceptions. If it had been as important or as frequent a part of the original Gospel as it is to one of our latter-day denominations, we would expect to find many references to it in writings by Christians who lived a short time after Jesus. Yet, barring one reference by Clement of Alexandria in Excerpt 22 of Excerpta ex Theodoto and one by Tertullian in Against Marcion 5.10, 1 Corinthians 15.29 stands alone in the age of Saint Paul and for centuries afterwards.

However, Thomas seems unaware of the evidence from Epiphanius. In his Panarion, book 1 section 28 (Against the Cerinthians), Epiphanius of Salamis, around AD 377, wrote the following which is a witness that some within the broad Christian spectrum were engaged in baptism for the dead:

 

6:1 In turn this Cerinthus, fool and teacher of fools that he is, ventures to maintain that Christ has suffered and been crucified but has not risen yet, but he will rise when the general resurrection of the dead comes.

6:2 Now this position of theirs is untenable, both the words and the ideas. And so, in astonishment at those who did not believe in the coming resurrection of the dead, the apostle said, 'If the dead rise not, then is Christ not raised;' 'Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die' and, 'Be not deceived; evil communications corrupt good manners.'

6:3 Again, he likewise gives their refutation to those who say that Christ is not risen yet by saying, 'If Christ be not raised, our preaching is vain and our faith is vain. And we also are found false witnesses against God, because we testified against God that he raised up Christ, if so be that he raised him not up.' For in Corinth too certain persons arose to say there is no resurrection of the dead, as though it was apostolic preaching that Christ was not risen yet and the dead are not raised (at all).

6:4 For their school reached its height in this country, I mean Asia, and in Galatia as well. And in these countries I also heard of a tradition which said that when some of their people died too soon, without baptism, others would be baptized for them in their names, so that they would not be punished for rising unbaptized at the resurrection and become the subjects of the authority that made the world.

6:5 And the tradition I heard of says that this is why the same holy apostle said, 'If the dead rise not at all, why are they baptized for them?' But others explain the text satisfactorily by saying that, as long as they are catechumens, the dying are allowed baptism before they die because of this hope, showing that the person who has died will also rise, and therefore needs the forgiveness of his sins through baptism.

6:6 Some of these people have preached that Christ is not risen yet, but will rise together with everyone; others, that the dead will not rise at all.

6:7 Hence the apostle has come forward and given the refutation of both these groups and the rest of the sects at once on the subject of resurrection. And in the testimonies that he gave in full he produced the sure proof of the resurrection, salvation and hope of the dead

6:8 by saying, 'This corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality,' and again, 'Christ is risen, the first fruits of them that slept.' This was to refute both kinds of sects at once and truly impart the unsullied doctrine of his teaching to anyone who wanted to know God's truth and saving doctrine.

 

Finally, one cannot help but see a smokescreen in Thomas' and Brown's argument. Let us just agree, for the sake of argument, that baptism for the dead is weakly attested in the patristic literature, as well as posthumous salvation (salvation for the dead) as a whole. Let us now turn the tables: patristic documentation on baptismal regeneration and subordinationist Christology are two of the most thoroughly addressed and substantiated doctrines in the writings of the early patristic period (and in the case of baptismal regeneration, the late patristic and Medieval periods, too), yet this particular Protestant apologist rejects both of them. So, we obviously see that documentation from the early Church Fathers is meaningless to him, and is arbitrarily choosing which doctrines from the patristic period he wishes to believe, despite the overwhelming evidence of views contrary to his understanding of the gospel. In reality, it comes down to the issue of final authority and whether Mike Thomas’ and Tony Brown's flavour of Protestantism and sola scriptura is true, which it is not. To see pages refuting sola scriptura on this blog, click here; to see how bankrupt Thomas’ and Brown's arguments are on the issue of the Bible and related issues, see Latter-day Saints and the Bible, a response to Thomas' article, “Mormons and the Bible.” In reality, even if the Bible and the patristic literature were silent on this issue, it would not matter, as Latter-day Saints do not hold to the anti-biblical teaching and practice of sola Scriptura. Furthermore, the Bible affirms the foundations necessary for posthumous salvation (not just baptism for the dead), such as universal atonement (e.g., 1 John 2:1-21 Tim 2:4); a view of humanity that is much higher than Total Depravitybaptismal regeneration1 Cor 15:29 which mentions the practice (and can be exegeted soundly to support it being an authentic practice of the early Christian faith); and texts such as 1 Pet 3:18-20; 4:6 which teaches posthumous salvation. Furthermore, outside of eisegetical “proof-texting” passages such as Heb 9:27, there is nothing in the Bible to preclude this as a genuine Christian teaching.



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