Monday, August 28, 2023

Tertullian and Lactantius: The Saints in Heaven Do Not Know What is Happening Here on Earth

  

Tertullian:

 

And if we speak of Paradise, the place of heavenly bliss appointed to receive the spirits of the saints, severed from the knowledge of this world by that fiery zone as by a sort of enclosure, the Elysian plains have taken possession of their faith. (Apology 47 [ANF 3:52])

 

Lactantius:

 

What madness is it, then, either to form those objects which they themselves may afterwards fear, or to fear the things which they have formed? But, they say, we do not fear the images themselves, but those being after those likeness they were formed, and to whose names they are dedicated. You fear them doubtless on this account, because you think that they are in heaven; for if they are gods, the case cannot be otherwise. Why, then, do you not raise your eyes to heaven, and, invoking their names, offer sacrifices in the open air? Why do you look to walls, and to wood, and stone, rather than to the place where you believe them to be? What is the meaning of temples and altars? What, in short, of the images themselves, which are memorials either of the dead or absent? For the plan of making likenesses was invented by men for this reason, that it might be possible to retain the memory of those who had either been removed by death or separated by absence. In which of these classes, then, shall we reckon the gods? If among the dead, who is so foolish as to worship them? If among the absent, then they are not to be worshipped, if they neither see our actions nor hear our prayers. But if the gods cannot be absent,--for, since they are divine, they see and hear all things, in whatever part of the universe they are,--if follows that images are superfluous, since he gods are present everywhere, and it is sufficient to invoke with prayer the names of those who hear us. But if they are present, they cannot fail to be at hand at their own images. It is entirely so, as the people imagine, that the spirits of the dead wander about the tombs and relics of their bodies. But after that the deity has begun to be near, there is no longer need of his statue. (The Divine Institutes [ANF 7:41-42])

 

Lactantius argues that those who are absent neither see nor hear our actions and prayers, and that to hear us, they must be omnipresent, an attribute he gives to gods alone, and he states that if it be that idols ensure the presence of a god, that it must be similar to how human should rest at their tombs or relics. But if Lactantius believed that saints cold hear us, then he would have no need to make qualifications about the necessity that gods be omnipresent to hear us or make qualifications about souls at tombs and relics, for if saints residing in heaven could hear us from any location on earth, why mention that they rest at the location of their tombs or relics in this context? It would be superfluous. (Seth Kasten, Against the Invocation of Saints: An Apology for the Protestant Doctrine of Prayer Over and Against the Doctrine of the Eastern Orthodox Church [Royal Oak, Mich.: Scholastic Lutherans, 2023], 63-64)

 

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