Sunday, March 1, 2026

Debate Challenge on the Immaculate Conception and Personal Sinlessness of Mary to Joe Heschmeyer of "Shameless Popery"

 Cross-posting from youtube


I have been very critical of Joe Heschmeyer  @shamelesspopery  and his work on (1) Catholicism and especially (2) Mormonism. I do not believe Joe is an honest actor, and this is not just Latter-day Saints who think this: many atheists, Protestants, and even one ex-LDS now Roman Catholic agree with this assessment. With that being said, I will happily debate Joe on the following thesis in a moderated debate: “The Immaculate Conception and Personal Sinlessness of Mary are Apostolic in Origin” Here is the structure of the debate (though please note below): Opening: 20 mins each Rebuttals: 10 mins each Cross-Ex: 15 mins each Conclusion: 7 mins I doubt Joe will agree to debate this topic (in spite of it being a primary object of infallibility and a de fide dogma) but I will add the following to sweeten the deal: (1) I will grant Joe 50% more time than I will receive, so instead of a 20 min opening, he will get 30, instead of a 10 min rebuttal, he will receive 15 mins, etc. (2) He can also include other people on his side for this debate, such as Isaac Hess and/or Trent Horn and/or Tim Staples (who has written a book on Mariology), etc. I do not mind if it is 2, 3, or even 4 on 1. We could host the debate on a neutral channel, such as Jeremiah Nortier's (who can also act as a moderator). Alternatively, if Joe wants to genuinely reach Latter-day Saints with Rome's gospel and claims to authority, we could do it on a large LDS channel, such as Jacob Hansen's  @thoughtfulfaith2020  Robert Boylan ScripturalMormonism@gmail.com


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