Wednesday, December 31, 2025

Potential Hostile Witnesses From 1838 to a Then-Future Move to the Rocky Mountains

 James D. Hunt, in his 1844 book, Mormonism: Embracing the Origin, Rise, and Progress of the Sect, wrote the following in the introduction:

 

The Mormons now claim to number one hundred thousand in the United States and Canadas, besides a vast number in Europe, and each successive season adds its swarms of paupers to their church. They now number eighteen thousand at Nauvoo; have the State arms in possession; have been in war and blood since their organization, and now engaging in new difficulties with the citizens of Illinois. Joe says he will be to the people of this generation what Mahommed was to the people of his day, and that he will yet make it a gore of blood from Maine to the Rocky Mountains. (James D. Hunt, Mormonism: Embracing the Origin, Rise, and Progress of the Sect With an Examination of the Book of Mormon; Also Their Troubles in Missouri, and Final Expulsion from the State [St Louis: Ustick & Davies, 1844]. v)

 

The author got this from the testimony of “George Walter” (sometimes referred to as George Walton in some articles I have read) from November 1838, which he reproduced on p. 217 of his book (I will quote from the version found on The Joseph Smith Papers website):

 

George Walters, a witness produced, sworn, and examined for the State deposeth & saith: Soon after the dissenters were driven away, from Caldwell county, I was in Far-West in Correl [John Corrill]s store, <perhaps the last of June last> & heard Jos Smith Jr say that he believed Mahommet was an inspired man, and had done a great deal of good, & that he intended to take the same <course> Mahommed did— that if the people would let him alone he would after a while die a natural death, but if they did not. he would make it one gore of blood from the rocky Mountains to <the> State of Maine, . . .

 

Another “hostile witness” the following from October 24, 1838:

 

 

I have heard the prophet say that he should yet tread down his enemies, and walk over their dead bodies; that if he was not let alone he would be a second Mahomet to this generation, and that he would make it one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean; that like Mahomet, whose motto, in treating for peace, was” the Alcoran or the Sword,” so should it be eventually with us, “Joseph Smith or the Sword.” These last statements were made during the last summer. (Affidavit of Thomas B. Marsh, Richmond, Missouri, October 24, 1838, repr. Document Containing the Correspondence, Orders, &C. in Relation to the Disturbances with the Mormons; and the Evidence Given Before the Hon. Austin A. King, Judge of the Fifth Judicial Circuit of the State of Missouri, at the Court-House in Richmond, in a Criminal Court of Inquiry, Begun November 12, 1838, on the Trial of Joseph Smith, Jr., and Others for High Treason and Other Crimes Against the State [Fayette, Miss.: Boon’s Lick Democrat, 1841], 58-59; cf. David Grua, “From the Archives: Joseph Smith or the Sword!?,” The Juvenile Instructor, November 17, 2007)

 

While more work needs to be done on this, perhaps the references to “the Rocky Mountains” is evidence, from hostile witnesses, that Joseph Smith did teach a potential move of the Saints to the Rocky Mountains in the then-future.

 

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