Tuesday, February 4, 2025

Answering Joe Heschmeyer's Deceptive Abuse of Mary Being the New Eve to Support Roman Catholic Mariology



Joe Heschmeyer who works for Catholic Answers and runs the “Shameless Popery” youtube channel, has a video that, in his usual manner appeals to the patristics in a really deceptive manner:

 

Why the Early Church Thought Mary Was the New Eve

 

Heschmeyer, as does Newman, Hahn, Matatics, Anders, Staples, and other Catholics, argues that, as the early Christians drew a parallel between Eve and Mary, ego, Mary must have been "a sinless virgin," and was created, just as Eve, in original righteousness, ergo, the immaculate conception.

 

However, if one reads the patristic authors he quote mines, one will see that, while they did draw a parallel between Mary and Eve, none believed this meant Mary was sinless, let alone conceived without the stain of original sin. “Anachronistic cultic eisegesis” is the best way to summarize his work on this topic.


Note that the theological note for "Mary was conceived without stain of original sin" (i.e., the Immaculate Conception" is De fide, while the theological note of Sententia fidei proxima is associated with the teaching that "In consequence of a Special Privilege of Grace from God, Mary was free from every personal sin during her whole life" (cf. Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, 199, 203). To knowingly reject either teaching with such notes is a mortal sin. And Heschmeyer, who tries to present himself as an informed, honest individual in his presentations, should know better (in fact, he does; I have no reason to doubt he is lacking in the intellectual honesty area, as the following will prove, even to honest Roman Catholics).


 

Justin Martyr (100-165)

 

It is true that in Dialogue with Trypo 50 & 100, Justin parallels Eve with Mary, this is not evidence for the sinlessness (let alone IC) of Mary—Justin et al., believed the parallel was due to Eve using her free-will to bring about the Fall while Mary, using her free-will, helped bring Jesus into the world and, in a limited sense, “unloosed the knot of Eve’s disobedience.” When one reads Justin's corpus as a whole, he singles out the person of Jesus as unique as being free from personal (not just original) sin and such is predicted, not upon Jesus’ supposed dual nature/hypostatic union or divinity (notwithstanding an early/high “logos Christology”) but upon Jesus’s humanity:

 

For other nations have not inflicted on us and on Christ this wrong to such an extent as you have, who in very deed are the authors of the wicked prejudice against the Just One (τοῦ δικαίου), and us who hold by Him. For after that you had crucified Him, the only blameless and righteous Man (τὸν μόνον ἄμωμον καὶ δίκαιον ἄνθρωπον),-- through whose stripes those who approach the Father by Him are healed, --when you knew that He had risen from the dead and ascended to heaven, as the prophets foretold He would, you not only did not repent of the wickedness which you had committed, but at that time you selected and sent out from Jerusalem chosen men through all the land to tell that the godless heresy of the Christians had sprung up, and to publish those things which all they who knew us not speak against us. So that you are the cause not only of your own unrighteousness, but in fact of that of all other men. And Isaiah cries justly: ‘By reason of you, My name is blasphemed among the Gentiles. (Dialogue with Trypo, 17)

 

. . . according to the will of God, Jesus Christ, the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. (Dialogue with Trypho, 23 [κατὰ τὴν βουλὴν τοῦ Θεοῦ δίχα ἁμαρτίας διὰ τῆς ἀπὸ γένους τοῦ Ἀβραὰμ παρθένου γεννηθέντα υἱὸν Θεοῦ Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν]—Justin mentions both Jesus and his mother, but only exempts one from sin—rather incongruous if he was aware of this supposedly apostolic tradition; while this is an “argument from silence,” here the silence is deafening)

 

And then, when Jesus had gone to the river Jordan, where John was baptizing, and when He had stepped into the water, a fire was kindled in the Jordan; and when He came out of the water, the Holy Ghost lighted on Him like a dove, [as] the apostles of this very Christ of ours wrote. Now, we know that he did not go to the river because He stood in need of baptism, or of the descent of the Spirit like a dove; even as He submitted to be born and to be crucified, not because He needed such things, but because of the human race, which from Adam had fallen under the power of death and the guile of the serpent (ἀλλʼ ὑπὲρ τοῦ γένους τοῦ τῶν ἀνθρώπων, ὃ ἀπὸ τοῦ Ἀδὰμ ὑπὸ θάνατον καὶ πλάνην τὴν τοῦ ὄφεως ἐπεπτώκει), and each one of which had committed personal transgression. For God, wishing both angels and men, who were endowed with free-will, and at their own disposal, to do whatever He had strengthened each to do, made them so, that if they chose the things acceptable to Himself, He would keep them free from death and from punishment; but that if they did evil, He would punish each as He sees fit. (Dialogue with Trypho, 88)

 

"For the whole human race (Καὶ γὰρ πᾶν γένος ἀνθρώπων) will be found to be under a curse. For it is written in the law of Moses, ‘Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them.' And no one has accurately done all (Καὶ ὅτι οὐδεὶς ἀκριβῶς πάντα ἐποίησεν), nor will you venture to deny this; but some more and some less than others have observed the ordinances enjoined. But if those who are under this law appear to be under a curse for not having observed all the requirements, how much more shall all the nations appear to be under a curse who practise idolatry, who seduce youths, and commit other crimes? If, then, the Father of all wished His Christ for the whole human family to take upon Him the curses of all, knowing that, after He had been crucified and was dead, He would raise Him up, why do you argue about Him, who submitted to suffer these things according to the Father's will, as if He were accursed, and do not rather bewail yourselves? For although His Father caused Him to suffer these things in behalf of the human family, yet you did not commit the deed as in obedience to the will of God. For you did not practise piety when you slew the prophets. And let none of you say: If His Father wished Him to suffer this, in order that by His stripes the human race might be healed, we have done no wrong. If, indeed, you repent of your sins, and recognise Him to be Christ, and observe His commandments, then you may assert this; for, as I have said before, remission of sins shall be yours. But if you curse Him and them that believe on Him, and, when you have the power, put them to death, how is it possible that requisition shall not be made of you, as of unrighteous and sinful men, altogether hard-hearted and without understanding, because you laid your hands on Him? (Dialogue with Trypho, 95)

 

 

Irenaeus of Lyons (130-202)

 

In the very same book of Against Heresies where Irenaeus paralleled Eve with Mary, we also read the following:

 

With Him is nothing incomplete or out of due season, just as with the Father there is nothing incongruous. For all these things were foreknown by the Father; but the Son works them out at the proper time in perfect order and sequence. This was the reason why, when Mary was urging [Him] on to [perform] the wonderful miracle of the wine, and was desirous before the time to partake of the cup of emblematic significance, the Lord, checking her untimely haste (Dominus repellens ejus intempestivam festianatione), said, “Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come”—waiting for that hour which was foreknown by the Father. (Against Heresies 3.16.7—Irenaeus understands John 2:4 to be Jesus rebuking Mary, and Mary being guilty of attempting to stall God’s divine timetable and Jesus’ working out thereof—a serious accusation)

 

 While the Greek is not extant, here is the Latin of the text:

 


Source:
Sancti Irenaei Episcopi Lugdunensis: Libros Quinque Adversus Haereses, ed. William Wigan Harvey, 2 vols. (Cambridge: 1857), 2:88.


One alternative way of translating the relevant line is:

 

. . .the Lord repelled her untimely haste. (St. Irenaeus of Lyons: Against the Heresies, Book 3 [trans. Dominic J. Unger; Ancient Christian Writers 64; New York: The Newman Press, 2012], 82)

 

In a note to the above, Unger (who did hold to the Immaculate Conception) noted that

 

Mary’s action was, for Irenaeus, not timed properly, nor in tune with the plan God had originally intended. (note 54)

 

The Latin uses the verb repello. This has a negative connotation. Consider the following entries of repello in these Latin lexicons:

 

re-pellō, reppulī

(repulī), repulsus, ere, to drive back, thrust back, drive away, reject, repulse, repel:

Charlton T. Lewis, An Elementary Latin Dictionary (Medford, MA: American Book Company, 1890).

 

rĕ-pello, reppuli (less correctly repuli), rĕpulsum, 3, v. a., to drive, crowd, or thrust back; to reject, repulse, repel, etc

Charlton T. Lewis and Charles Short, Harpers’ Latin Dictionary (New York; Oxford: Harper & Brothers; Clarendon Press, 1891), 1567.

 

drive/push/thrust back/away; repel/rebuff/spurn; fend off; exclude/bar; refute

William Whitaker, Dictionary of Latin Forms (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2012).

 

repello, ere, reppuli, repulsum, 3, v. a., to drive, crowd, or thrust back; to reject, repulse, repel.

Roy J. Deferrari, Inviolata M. Barry, and Ignatius McGuiness, A Lexicon of Saint Thomas Aquinas Based on the Summa Theologica and Selected Passages of His Other Works (Baltimore, MD: Catholic University of America Press, 1948), 964.

 

repello, reppuli, 3, thrust away, reject

J. M. Harden, Dictionary of the Vulgate New Testament (London; New York: Society of Promoting Christian Knowledge; The Macmillan Co., 1921), 102.

 

In another of his writings, Irenaeus exempts only Jesus from personal sin. In The Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching 72, we read:

 

And again the same prophet (says) thus concerning the sufferings of Christ: Behold how the righteous is destroyed, and no man layeth it to heart; and righteous men are taken away, and no man understandeth. For from the face of iniquity is the taking away of the righteous: peace shall be his burial, he hath been taken away from the midst. And who else is perfectly righteous, but the Son of God, who makes righteous and perfects them that believe on Him, who like unto Him are persecuted and put to death?

 

Irenaeus did not believe Mary being, in some sense, the New Eve meant she was sinless, let alone conceived without the stain of original sin. Of course, if you only relied upon Heschmeyer's selective use of Irenaeus et al., you would never know that.


 

Tertullian (160-220)

 

In his On the Flesh of Christ, chapter 7 (which pre-dates his embracing Montanism), Tertullian evidences a very low Mariology, imputing personal sin to Mary, even paralleling her with the “synagogue” (Tertullian had a very low view of the Jews of his time, further evidencing this low Mariology):

 

. . . When denying one’s parents in indignation, one does not deny their existence, but censures their faults. Besides, He gave others the preference; and since He shows their title to this favour—even because they listened to the word (of God)—He points out in what sense He denied His mother and His brethren. For in whatever sense He adopted as His own those who adhered to Him, in that did He deny as His those who kept aloof from Him. Christ also is wont to do to the utmost that which He enjoins on others . How strange, then, would it certainly have been, if, while he was teaching others not to esteem mother, or father, or brothers, as highly as the word of God, He were Himself to leave the word of God as soon as His mother and brethren were announced to Him! He denied His parents, then, in the sense in which He has taught us to deny ours—for God’s work. But there is also another view of the case: in the abjured mother there is a figure of the synagogue, as well as of the Jews in the unbelieving brethren. In their person Israel remained outside, whilst the new disciples who kept close to Christ within, hearing and believing, represented the Church, which He called mother in a preferable sense and a worthier brotherhood, with the repudiation of the carnal relationship. It was in just the same sense, indeed, that He also replied to that exclamation (of a certain woman), not denying His mother’s “womb and paps,” but designating those as more “blessed who hear the word of God.”

 

In another work pre-dating his embrace of Montanism (Adversus Marcionem 4, 19, 11 [PL 2:435]), Tertullian wrote that Jesus:

 

. . . was justly indignant that persons so close to him should stand outside while strangers were in the house with him, hanging on his every word. He was indignant above all because they were seeking to take him away from his solemn task. He did not ignore them, but disavowed them. Therefore, in response to the question, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” he responded, “No one except those who hear my words and put them into practice.” He transferred the terms indicating blood relationship to others whom he considered closer to him because of their faith. (translation as found in Luigi Gambero, Mary and the Fathers of the Church: The Blessed Virgin Mary in Patristic Thought [trans. Thomas Buffer; San Francisco, Ignatius Press, 1999], 62)

 

As with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus, in spite of paralleling Eve with Mary, Tertullian believed that only Jesus was free from sin. In Prescription Against the Heretics 3, we read that

 

For to the Son of God alone was it reserved to persevere to the last without sin.

  

Tertullian clearly did not believe that Mary being the New Eve meant she was created in a state of original righteousness and kept from personal sin throughout her life. Why didn't Heschmeyer tell listeners any of these facts. Again, the conclusion that Heschmeyer is intellectually disingenuous and deceptive is the only conclusion.


Ephrem the Syrian (306-373)

 

While not mentioned in Heschmeyer’s video (which is full of shameless eisegesis), it is important to discuss Ephrem. He is often touted as one of, if not the earliest explicit witness to the personal sinlessness and/or Immaculate Conception of Mary. Consider the following representative quote:

 

St. Ephrem says: “Thou and thy mother are the only ones who are totally beautiful in every respect; for in thee, O Lord, there is no spot, and in thy Mother no stain” (Carm. Nisib. 27). (Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma [St. Louis, Miss.: B. Herder Book Company, 1957], 201)

 

However, when one reads Ephrem’s works and not quote mines, one will see Ephrem did not exempt Mary from personal sin. The following is Catholic Kathleen E. McVey’s translation of Hymns on the Nativity 16.9-11:

 

O [You] Who brought forth His mother [in] another birth out of the water?. . . I am mother because of Your conception, and bride am I because of your chastity. Handmaiden and daughter of blood and water [am I] whom you redeemed and baptized. “Son of the Most High Who came and dwelt in me, [in] another birth, He bore me also [in] a second birth. I put on the glory of Him Who put on the body, the garment of His mother. (Ephrem the Syrian: Hymns [trans. Kathleen E. McVey; Classics of Western Spirituality; New York: Paulist Press, 1989], 150)

 

As McKey wrote in the footnote to the above text:

 

Despite Ephrem’s emphasis in Mary’s role as second Eve, here he makes it clear that she is redeemed along with all of humankind by Christ. (Ibid., 150 n. 362)

 

As Michael O’Carroll noted:

 

The first apparently explicit testimony is in the Nisibene hymns of St Ephraem, a fourth century Syrian writer: “Certainly you are alone and your mother are from every aspect completely beautiful, for there is no blemish in you, my Lord, and no stain in your mother.” But there are other texts in the same author’s writings which, to put it mildly, call for subtle interpretation to maintain the doctrine—he spoke for example of Mary’s baptism. (Michael O’Carroll, CSSp, “The Immaculate Conception and Assumption of our Lady in Today’s Thinking” in Mary in the Church, ed. John Hyland [Dublin: Veritas, 1989], 45)

 

In Ephrem’s Mariology, Mary became panagia (“all holy”) at the annunciation, not at her conception.

 

Commenting on Ephrem’s Mariology in light of this text, Tataria and von Stotsch noted that:

 

Ephrem has been wrongly cited as the first Syriac Church Father to teach the doctrine of Mary’s immaculate conception. Certainly, just like Jacob he emphasizes how beautiful and pure Mary is from the start. But at the same time, Ephrem also expounds the idea that Jesus Christ is the only person wholly within sin, and stresses that Mary is first baptized in Christ and also that this baptism is essential in order to preserve her purity. In his writings, Mary emerges as the first individual to be absolved of sin through baptism, and Ephrem sees this baptism as residing in her conception of Jesus. In other words, Mary is born anew from her son, and cleansed of sin through him. (Muna Tatari and Klaus von Stosch, Mary in the Qur’an: Friend of God, Virgin, Mother [trans. Peter Lewis; London: Gingko, 2021], 48)

 

As with many early Christians, Ephrem understood John 2:4 to be Jesus rebuking Mary. This would be incongruous if he was aware of this supposedly apostolic tradition concerning Mary being conceived without original sin and being free from personal sin (note: Ephrem did parallel Eve with Mary in his writings):

 

§4a. She said to him, My son, there is no wine here. He said to her, What is that to me and to you, Woman? What was wrong with what she said? She was in great doubt concerning his word, because there was no wine there. Wherefore [the response], What is that to me and to you, Woman? For she had perceived that he was about to perform a miracle, according to what he had said to her. [This can be seen] from what she said to the servants, Whatever my son tell you do. (Saint Ephrem's Commentary on Tatian's Diatessaron: An English Translation of Chester Beatty Syriac MS 709 with Introduction and Notes V §4a [trans. Carmel McCarthy; Journal of Semitic Studies Supplement 2; Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1993, 2000], 96)

 

Here, Ephrem believed Mary was being rebuked in John 2:4 due to her doubt concerning Christ’s words—both Latter-day Saints and Roman Catholics would agree to doubt the words of Christ is sinful.

 

Elsewhere, Ephrem wrote the following concerning Luke 1:35:

 

He said to her, The Holy Spirit will come, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Why did he not mention the Father's name but instead, the name of his Power and the name of the Holy Spirit? Because it was fitting that the Architect of the works [of creation] should come and raise up the house that had fallen, and the hovering Spirit should sanctify the buildings that were unclean . . . He dwelt in the womb and cleansed it and sanctified the place of birthpangs and curses. (Saint Ephrem's Commentary on Tatian's Diatessaron: An English Translation of Chester Beatty Syriac MS 709 with Introduction and Notes [trans. Carmel McCarthy; Journal of Semitic Studies Supplement 2; Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1993, 2000], 59)

 

Here, again, Ephrem believed Mary became panagia (“all holy”) at the time of the annunciation, not at her conception. This contradicts the de fide dogma of the Immaculate Conception.


What is also interesting is that Ephrem, as did many Syriac theologians, conflated Mary, the mother of Jesus, with Mary Magdalene. As Sebastian Brock noted:

 

Certainly, the most remarkable feature of the poem is the identification of Mary, not with Mary Magdalene (so the Greek text of John 20:1 and 18), but with the mother of Jesus; this emerges from stanza 2:

 

‘Who will show me’, she was saying.

my son and my Lord, for whom I am seeking?’

 

This is indeed a feature not unknown in the Syriac (and in Greek) tradition, for it is already found in some of Ephrem’s works and in Jacob of Serugh; it implies a biblical text omitting Magdalene in John 20:1 and 18 (thus the Old Syriac (Sinaiticus) at verse 18, and the Arabic Diatessaron).

 

This identification of the Mary of John 20 with the mother of Jesus suggests that the poem may be of considerable antiquity; since it does not seem likely that a composition of the Arab period would any longer make such an identification, the text might hesitantly be attributed to about the sixth century. (Sebastian P. Brock, "Mary and the Gardiner: An Early Syrian Dialogue Soghitha for the Resurrection," Parole de l'Orient 11 [1983]: 225-26)

 

As Robert Murray wrote on this conflation and Ephrem imputing the sin of doubt to the mother of Jesus:

 

One of the most curious features of Ephrem's doctrine concerning Mary as type of the Church is found in passages where he speaks of the appearance of the risen Christ to Mary Magdalen; in this context he often regards it as not the Magdalen but the Virgin to whom Christ appeared in the garden, while several times he seems to confuse them, or rather deliberately run them into one, both Maries acting together as type of the Church. This 'fusion' is not a peculiarity of Ephrem but is found in other Syrian witnesses . . . (Robert Murray, Symbols of the Church and Kingdom: A Study in Early Syriac Tradition [rev. ed.; London: T&T Clark, 2006], 146)

 

To consider further evidence in Ephrem first, in E[vangelium]C[oncordans] 2,17 the 'sword' in Mary's heart, foretold by Simeon, is interpreted as doubt that Mary would undergo, and this is explained by Magdalen's thinking that Christ was a gardener. (EC Arm. C[orpus]S[criptorum]C[hristianorum]O[rientalium] 137, Arm. 1), p. 32.14-20; tr. (SC) p. 75) On Christ's words at Cana, 'My time is not yet come', Ephrem sees that 'time' as the reunion of Christ with his mother in the garden: 'thus after his victory over Sheol, when his mother saw him, like a mother she wanted to caress him'. (EC Arm. 5.5, p. 61:12-14; tr. (SC) p. 109) In the comment on John 20:11-17 Ephrem repeats his interpretation of the sword in Mary's heart as her doubts in the garden; as for why Jesus would not let Mary touch him, Ephrem suggests: 'Perhaps because he had delivered her to John in his place: "Woman, behold thy Son". And yet not without her was the first sign, and not without her were the first fruits from Sheol. And so, even if she did not touch him, she was strengthened by him.' (EC Syr. 21.27, Syr.) (Ibid., 329-30)

 

Finally, Ephrem spoke of Mary’s “carnal desire” when anointed Jesus, again, showing he is a witness against Roman Catholic Mariology:

 

Mary anointed the head of our Lord’s body, as a symbol of the "better part" she had chosen. The oil was a prophecy of what her mind had chosen. While Martha was occupied with serving, Mary hungered to be satisfied with spiritual things from the one who also satisfies bodily needs for us. So Mary refreshed Him with precious oil, just as He had refreshed her with His most excellent teaching. With her oil, Mary indicated a symbol of the death of Him who put to death her carnal desire with His teaching. (Ephrem, “Homily on our Lord,” Section XLIX, in St. Ephrem the Syrian: Selected Prose Works [trans. Edward G. Matthews, Jr., and Joseph P. Amar; The Fathers of the Church 91; Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press, 1994], 324)

 

In spite of having a high Mariology, and, as with Justin, Irenaeus, and Tertullian, believed Mary was the New Eve, Ephrem is not a witness to either the Immaculate Conception or personal sinlessness of Mary. Instead, Ephrem is a witness against the dogma.

  

John Chrysostom (347-407)

 

Another Church Father that Heschmyer did not discuss, but is important to our present discussion is that of Chrysostom. He, as with Justin et al., paralleled Eve with Mary. As one pro-Catholic website noted:

 

For Chrysostom, the virgin earth from which blossomed the earthly paradise is a type, a figure of Mary: “Therefore, he calls her Eden or virgin earth, because this virgin (the earthly paradise) is a type for another Virgin. Just as the original earth produced paradise’s garden for us without any seed, the Virgin gave birth to light which is Christ, for us and without any seed from man” (De mutatione nominum, 2,3-4). Mary is the opposite of Eve: “A virgin expelled us from paradise, and through another Virgin we arrive at eternal life.”

 

However, although he did parallel Eve with Mary, Chrysostom imputed personal sin to Mary. Consider the following examples:

 

That which I was lately saying, that when virtue is wanting all things are vain, this is now also pointed out very abundantly. For I indeed was saying, that age and nature, and to dwell in the wilderness, and all such things, are alike unprofitable, where there is not a good mind; but to-day we learn in addition another thing, that even to have borne Christ in the womb, and to have brought forth that marvellous birth, hath no profit, if there be not virtue.

 

And this is hence especially manifest. “For while He yet talked to the people,” it is said, “one told Him, Thy mother and Thy brethren seek Thee. But He saith, who is my mother, and who are my brethren?”

 

And this He said, not as being ashamed of His mother, nor denying her that bare Him; for if He had been ashamed of her, He would not have passed through that womb; but as declaring that she hath no advantage from this, unless she do all that is required to be done. For in fact that which she had essayed to do, was of superfluous vanity; in that she wanted to show the people that she hath power and authority over her Son, imagining not as yet anything great concerning Him; whence also her unseasonable approach. (Homily on Matthew, 44)

 

Commenting on Chrysostom, Gambero noted that he interpreted

 

certain Gospel passages in such a way as to attribute defects to the Virgin such as unbelief or vanity. Commenting on the episode of the Mother and brothers of Jesus (cf. Mt 12:46-50), John explains that the Master meant to reprove his relatives for their unbelief, seeking to correct them:

 

Jesus cared about his Mother so greatly that, on the Cross, he entrusted her to the disciple whom he loved more than all the others, showing his great solicitude for her. However, in this case he acts differently, in order to care for his Mother and his brothers. For, since they thought that he was a mere man, giving in to vainglory, he drives this disease out of them, not reproving them, but correct them . . . Jesus did not want to cause his Mother to doubt; he acted to free her from that tyrannical disease, to induce her, little by little, to form a fitting idea of who he was, persuading her that he was not only her Son but also her Lord. (Homily on Matthew 44, 1; PG 57, 465)

 

At the wedding at Cana, Chrysostom sees Jesus’ words to his Mother as another reproof:

 

“They have no wine” (Jn 2:3). By asking for his favor, Mary was trying to win the guests over but also to render herself more conspicuous. And perhaps Mary gave in to a purely human feeling, just as his brothers did when they said: “Manifest yourself to the world” (Jn 7:14), desiring to gain glory for themselves through his miracles. For this reason Jesus answers her rather brusquely, saying: “Woman, what have you to do with me? My hoor has not yet come” (Jn 2:4). (Homily on John 21, 2; PG 59, 130)

 

In his commentary on the Gospel of the Annunciation, our author makes a rather serious inference about the possible reaction of the Virgin when she discovered her pregnancy. Considering the problem of why God had the mystery of Christ’s conception announced to Mary before it happened, Chrysostom gives this answer:

 

He did it to spare her serious unease and great distress. There was cause or fear, lest she, not knowing the true reason for her pregnancy, imagine that there was something wrong with her and proceed to drown or stab herself rather than endure disgrace. (Homily on Matthew 4, 5; PG 57, 45)

 

 Apparently, Chrysostom pictures Mary as an ordinary woman, with ordinary qualities and weaknesses; presumably, the Christian communities of Antioch and Constantinople were not startled by statements like this. In other settings, such as Alexandria, the reaction would probably have been quite different. (Luigi Gambero, Mary and the Fathers of the Church: The Blessed Virgin Mary in Patristic Thought [trans. Thomas Buffer; San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1999], 172-73)

 

Again, Chrysostom, as with other early Christians who drew the parallel between Eve and Mary never concluded as Heschmeyer did that Mary was sinless.


Pope Innocent III: A Papal Witness Against the Abuse of the Mary/Eve Parallel

 

It is not just the patristic period. Even as late as Pope Innocent III (d. 1216), the Mary/Eve parallel was not taken as Mary being conceived without original sin or created, as was Eve, in a state of original justice/righteousness. In his “Sermon 28: On the Same Solemnity. Of the conditions or qualities of the dawn, the fast, and the sun, and how they correspond to Mary,” Innocent paralleled Eve with Mary. However, he did not arrive at the conclusions Catholic apologists do with this type/antitype relationship:

 

Que est ista, quæ progreditur quasi aurora con- surgens, pulchra ut luna, electa ut sol, terribilis ut castrorum acies ordinata? (Cant. VI.)

 

Cum aurora sit finis noctis et origo diei, merito per auroram designatur Virgo Maria; quie finis damnationis, et origo salutis fuit. Finis vitiorum, et origo virtutum. Oportebat enim, ut sicut per feminam mors intravit in orbem; ita per feminam vita rediret in orbem. Et ideo quod damnavit Eva, salvavit Maria, ut unde mors oriebatur, inde vita resurgeret. Illa consensit diabolo, et vetitum po- mum comedit, secundum illud : Tulit de fructu et comedit, deditque viro (Gen. iii); ista credidit angelo, et filium promissum concepit, secundum illud : Ecce concipies et paries filium (Luc. 1). Illa comedit pomum ad mortem, juxta quod fuerat illi prædictum : Quacunque die comederis, morte morieris (Gen. II); ista concepit filium ad salutem, sicut ei fuerat prænotatum : Vocabis nomen ejus Jesum. Ipse enim salvum faciet populum suum a peccatis eorum (Matth. 1). Illa peperit in dolore, secundum illud : Multiplicabo ærumnas tuas et conceptus tuos, et in dolore paries (Gen, I);  ista generavit in gaudio, secundum illud : Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum, quod erit omni populo; quia natus est vobis hodie Salvator, qui est Christus Dominus, in civitate David (Luc. ii). Illa fuit de solo viro producta, quoniam ædificavit Dominus Deus costam, quam tulerat de Adam in mulierem, sed produxit virum et feminam (Gen. n), hæc autem producta fuit de viro et femina, sed solum virum produxit: Quia novum fecit Dominus super terram, femina circumdedit virum: gremio uteri sui (Jer. xxxI). Illa fuit sine culpa producta, sed produxit in culpam; hæc autem fuit in culpa producta (21), sed sine culpa produxit. Illa dicta est Eva, huic dictum est, Ave; quia per hanc 'mutatum est nomen Evæ. Ave, inquit, gratia plena, Dominus tecum (Luc. 1). Quasi diceret : Illa fuit plena peccato, sed tu plena gratia. Illa fuit maledicta in mulieribus, sed benedicta tu in mulieribus (ibid.). Fructus ventris illius fuit maledictus Cain, sed fructus ventris tui erit henedictus Jesus. Cain invidiose fratrem occidit Abel (Gen. Iv); sed Jesus invidiose fuit occisus a fratribus. (Migne, PL 217:581-82)

 

The text in bold can be translated roughly into English as follows:

 

She [Eve] wasproduced without sin, but brought forth [children] in sin; whereas this one [Mary] was produced in sin but brought forth [Jesus] without sin. She was called Eve, to this one [Mary] it was said, “Ave,” for through her, the name of Eve was changed. (comments in square brackets added for clarification)

 

Here, the pope denies the Immaculate Conception by teaching that Mary was "produced in sin"; only later, did she become panagia/all holy.

The editors were quick to defend the pope, noting that:

 

Sic sentire potuit Innocentius III papa, circa rem nondum ab Ecclesia definitam ; quæ nunc et de fide, nempe: Maria sine labe concepta est. (PL 217:581-82)

 

English:

 

Thus Pope Innocent III could have thought about a matter not yet defined by the Church; which is now also of faith, namely: Mary was conceived without stain (of sin).

 

Not only do the early Christians that Heschmeyer quotes out of context refutes his understanding of the Mary/Eve parallel, a pope would also side against his blatant abuse of this apologetic. (Note: I am not arguing Innocent III's comments are against Papal Infallibility–I know the strict criteria explicated by Pastor aeternus, in case someone tries to strawman me on this point).


 

Conclusions


While the earliest Christians did parallel Eve with Mary, Justin et al. did not believe this meant (1) Mary was sinless and (2) she was conceived without the stain of original sin. The pop level Catholic apologetics concerning the “New Eve” parallel represents eisegesis. Unless one wishes to impute stupidity to Heschmeyer, one has to impute to him deceptive motivations for this deceptive use of the patristics.

 

Consider the following from two scholars of Syriac Mariology when commenting on the Mary/Eve parallel in early Christian writings:

 

In the Christian tradition, there are two different ways of understanding the Eve-Mary typology. The first more dynamic construction proceeds from the assumption that although Mary is affected to begin with by the consequences of the fall of man and therefore suffers from original sin, she later frees herself from its grip by giving birth to Jesus. In this line of thought, which represents the mainstream of the Syriac tradition, the typical Christocentricity of the biblical viewpoint is preserved. This is the construction that is clearly preferred by Ephrem the Syrian and Jacob of Serugh. The second, more static reading conceives of Mary as the new Eve, who is spared all along from the consequences of the fall. This understanding is nowhere to be found among the earliest Church Fathers, nor have we been able to verify that it appears anywhere in Syriac tradition. (Muna Tatari and Klaus von Stosch, Mary in the Qur’an: Friend of God, Virgin, Mother [trans. Peter Lewis; London: Gingko, 2021], 42-43)

 

That one can believe Mary is a New/Second Eve without imputed to her sinlessness can be seen in how even Latter-day Saints and others with a lower (and I would argue, more apostolic/biblical) Mariology than Roman Catholicism. For example, Latter-day Saint scholar Shon D. Hopkin wrote that:

 

This life-giving sacrifice on Jesus’s part would have been impossible if his mother, Mary, had not previously exercised her role as a life-giver, a role given expression in both the monthly cycle and in the blood and water present at the birth of Jesus. Indeed, the life-giving elements of water, blood, and the spirit that the time of birth are connected early in Christianity to the elements of spiritual life. From a Latter-day Saint perspective tied to the reality of premortal existence, Mary became a second Eve. She first chose to enter mortality with all its attendant challenges for women as life-givers. She then chose to accept God’s will and give life to the Son of God, thereby making eternal life possible for all humanity. (Shon D. Hopkin, “Women, Eve, and the Mosaic Covenant: A Latter-day Saint Theological Reading,” in Seek Ye Words of Wisdom: Studies on the Book of Mormon, Bible, and Temple in Honor of Stephen D. Ricks, ed. Donald W. Parry, Gaye Strathearn, and Shon D. Hopkin [Provo, Utah: Interpreter Foundation; Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 2020], 196)

 

The Immaculate Conception and personal sinlessness of Mary are not apostolic in origin. Instead, as with the Korban rule that the Lord Jesus condemned (see Matt 15//Mark 7), they are false, man-made traditions. The fact Rome has elevated the Immaculate Conception to the position of a de fide dogma shows (1) Roman Catholicism is a false Church and (2) Rome falls under the anathema of Galatians 1:6-9. Not only that, it shows that Joe Heschmeyer is not an honest actor: he deliberately misrepresents the patristic data to deceive people into accepting Roman Catholic theology.

 

Appendix: On the Seven Days of New Creation and the Gospel of John

 

The focus of this blog post was on the patristic data. But let me just briefly note that there are issues with the apologetic of Heschmeyer, who, in turn, is following Scott Hahn. Let me quote from Hahn's popular book on Mariology:

 

Counting the Days

 

John the Evangelist continues to leave hints of Genesis throughout his opening narrative. After the first vignette, John’s story continues “the next day” (1:29), with the encounter of Jesus and John the Baptist. “The next day” (1:35), again, comes the story of the calling of the first disciples. “The next day” (1:43), yet again, we find Jesus’ call to two more disciples. So, taking John’s first discussion of the Messiah as the first day, we now find ourselves on the fourth day.


Then John does something remarkable. He introduces his next episode, the story of the wedding feast at Cana, with the words “On the third day.” Now, he cannot mean the third day from the beginning, since he has already proceeded past that point in his narrative. He must mean the third day from the fourth day, which brings us to the seventh day—and then John stops counting days.


Do you notice anything familiar? John’s story of the new creation takes place in seven days, just as the creation story in Genesis is completed on the sixth day, and sanctified—perfected—on the seventh, when God rests from His labor. The seventh day of the creation week, as of every week thereafter, would be known as the Sabbath, the day of rest, the sign of the covenant (see Ex 31:16–17). We can be sure, then, that whatever happens on the seventh day in John’s narrative will be significant. (Scott Hahn, Hail, Holy Queen: The Mother of God in the Word of God [New York: Image Books, 2001], 34-35)

 

Hahn then discusses John 2:4-5 and Mary’s purported intercessory role at the wedding at Cana, and Jesus calling her “woman,” and reading back into this Mary being the New Eve (which Hahn, like Heschmeyer, reads back into this personal sinlessness and the Immaculate Conception [!]) informed by this interpretive matrix.


There are a number of problems with Hahn's (and, as a result, Heschmeyer's) approach. Firstly, none of the earliest Christians held to this interpretation. Consider Origen (185-254):

 

The use of the expression “the next day” is a symbol of John’s progress and improvement. For Jesus comes, in the subsequent illumination, as it were, and on the day following what had preceded. He is not only known as having stood in the midst even of those who knew him not, but now also when he is seen as having come to him who earlier made these declarations. (Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of John, Book 6, in Commentary on the Gospel according to John, Books 1-10 [trans. Ronald E. Heiene; The Fathers of the Church 40; The Catholic University of America Press, 1989], 238)

 

As an aside, Origen, in spite of a high Mariology (e.g., he held to the perpetual virginity), did not believe Mary was sinless. Consider the following two representative quotations:

 

There was, therefore, none other who could overcome these nets. For all have sinned, as it is written; and again, as Scripture says: There is no just man upon earth that hath done good and hath not sinned; and again: No one is free of uncleanness, not even if his life be of but one day. Therefore Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ alone is He who did no sin; but the Father made Him to be sin for us, that in the likeness of sinful flesh and of sin He might condemn sin. (Origen, Commentary on the Song of Songs, Book Three, 13, in Origen: The Song of Songs, Commentary and Homilies [trans. R. P. Lawson; Ancient Christian Writers 26; New York: The Newman Press, 1957], 237)

 

6. Thereupon Simeon says, “a sword will pierce your very soul.” Which sword is this that pierced not only others’ hearts, but even Mary’s? Scripture clearly records that, at the time of the Passion, all the apostles were scandalized. The Lord himself said, “This night you will all be scandalized.” Thus, they were all so scandalized that Peter too, the leader of the apostles, denied him three times. Why do we think that the mother of the Lord was immune from scandal when the apostles were scandalized? If she did not suffer scandal at the Lord’s Passion, then Jesus did not die for her sins. But, if “all have sinned and lack God’s glory, but are justified by his grace and redeemed,” then Mary too was scandalized at that time.

 

7. And this is what Simeon now prophesies when he says, “And your very soul.” You know, Mary, that you bore as a virgin, without a man. You heard from Gabriel, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.” The “sword” of infidelity “will pierce” you, and you will be struck by the blade of uncertainty, and your thoughts will tear you in pieces when you see him. You had heard him called the Son of God. You knew he was begotten without a man’s seed. You knew he was crucified, and died, and subjected to human punishment. You knew that at the end he lamented and said, “Father, if it is possible, let this chalice pass from me.” Thus the Scripture, “and a sword will pierce your very soul.” (Origen, Homily on Luke 17, 6-7, in Origen: Homilies on Luke and Fragments on Luke [trans. Joseph T. Lienhard, vol. 94, The Fathers of the Church 94; Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press, 2009], 73)

 

Secondly, biblical scholar Carlos Raúl Sosa Siliezar noted the weakness of some of these approaches to John 1-2:

  

In their search for a putative ‘seventh day’ in Jn 1–2 that can be matched to the day of rest of God in Gen. 2, some scholars have given attention to Jn 2:12. Hambly, for example, contended that Jn 2:12 represents the seventh day when Jesus rested after the miracle at Cana. This conclusion is implausible for at least four reasons. The first reason is that Jesus stayed in Capernaum ‘a few days’ (οὐ πολλὰς ἡμέρας, 2:12), while God’s rest after creation in Gen. 2:2–3 comprised only a single day. The second reason is that the phrase ‘after this’ (2:12) is not as clear as ‘the next day’ (e.g. 1:43). Therefore, John does not indicate explicitly that Jesus’ arrival to Capernaum took place ‘the next day’ after the miracle at Cana. The third reason is that other people stayed in Capernaum with Jesus: his mother and brothers, and his disciples (2:12). Since they did not take an active role in the previous miracle at Cana, it is difficult to think that they stayed with Jesus in order to rest. If John were intending to portray the seventh day in 2:12 as a day of rest for Jesus, the mention of his family and disciples would be unnecessary. The fourth reason is that John never indicates that Jesus stayed in Capernaum in order to rest. The reference to a royal official of Capernaum who has heard about Jesus before (4:46–47) might indicate that Jesus was already known in Capernaum as one who performs healings (cf. 20:30). Therefore, there is room to posit that Jesus’ stay in Capernaum in 2:12 involved some kind of activity (cf. 4:40–41; 10:40–41).

 

There are some time indicators in Jn 1:29, 35, 39, 43; 2:1, 12, but they are far from signalling a clear sequence of six or seven days that resembles the days of creation in Genesis. Only if there were conspicuous similarities between Jn 1–2 and Gen. 1–2 might one be inclined to believe that John intended to shape the inaugural days of Jesus’ ministry in light of the days of creation of the Genesis account. But a close assessment of suggested similarities between the two texts will show that this is not the case.

 

It has been suggested that Jn 2:11 is an allusion to Gen. 2:3, because the verb ποιέω and the broad idea of ‘beginning’ are used in both texts. However, the meanings of the texts are very different. John refers to the first (ἀρχήν) sign performed by Jesus while Gen. 2:3 refers to the works of creation that God ‘began’ (ἤρξατο) to make (cf. Jn 13:5). Similarities have also been proposed between the first and second days of creation and the putative Johannine days of new creation. Paul Trudinger and Hambly claimed that just as in Gen. 1:1–5 the light is separated from darkness, so too in Jn 1:19–28 the light (Jesus) is separated from the darkness (priests and Levites) by the witness of the Baptist. This link seems speculative because John never identifies the priests and Levites with darkness. People can walk in, love, or abide in darkness (3:19; 8:12; 12:46; cf. 12:35) but people are never identified as darkness in GJohn. Trudinger also attempted to relate the second day of creation (Gen. 1:6–8) to Jn 1:32–33, based on the use of the nouns οὐρανός and ὕδωρ in both texts. However, this seems to be a forced link. Both nouns are commonplace, and even in Gen. 1–2 they are used in other days of creation (οὐρανός, Gen. 1:1, 9, 14, 15, 17, 20, 26, 28, 30; 2:1, 4; ὕδωρ, 1:2, 9, 10, 20, 21, 22). Likewise, these nouns are used elsewhere in Jn 1:19–2:12 (1:51; 2:7, 9). (Carlos Raúl Sosa Siliezar, Creation Imagery in the Gospel of John [Library of New Testament Studies 546; London: Bloomsbury T&T Clark, 2015], 126–128)

 

Finally, with respect to the claim the wedding of Cana took place on the “fourth day,” Catholic apologist Robert Sungenis, in an email to a friend, noted a fundamental exegetical weakness with Hahn’s (and, cribbing from him, Heschmeyer’s) argumentation:

 

. . . Hahn would first have to prove first that "the third day" in John 2:1 is not the "next day" of John 1:43. If the third day were an additional day beyond the three "next days" of John 1:29, 35 and 43, making it the fourth day, there should be something in the text that allows so, but there isn't. It could simply be the case that two things happen on the third day (e.g., Jesus went to Galilee, and then Jesus went to Cana). If so, then John could not call the day of John 2:1 "the next day," and so settles for "the third day" of the three "next days." The other possibility is that John 1:35's "on the next day again" is using "again" as the second thing that happened on that day (e.g., John looking at Jesus walking) in addition to John seeing Jesus in verse 29 ("he sees Jesus coming toward him"). In this scenario, the first day includes verse 29 and verse 35, and the second day is verse 43, which then allows the third day to be John 2:1. Beyond that, to make the third day the fourth day is simply not allowed. (Robert Sungenis, email dated February 3, 2025)

 

Why does Jesus distance himself from Mary by calling her “woman” (a term which Jesus uses elsewhere for women other than his mother; see Matt 15:28; Luke 13:12; John 4:21; 8:10; 20:13)? Perhaps it is the same reason why he favors spiritual over biological links, something one sees in passages such as:

 

But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? And who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matt 12:48-50)

 

And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea, rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. (Luke 11:27-28; see this post for a discussion of μενουν)

 

Commenting on Jesus’s establishment of an eschatological family, one Roman Catholic scholar wrote:

 

Jesus’ Conditions for “Kinship in the Kingdom”

 

Jesus’ unique experience of God as “abba” led him to reveal God as “abba” to others. Jesus experienced God not only as intimately present to him, but as the compassionate generous, forgiving, merciful One seeking to bring all into a new family, but especially the poor, the despised, the outcasts. In accounting the reign of God on earth, the institution of a new family of God’s children, Jesus did not deny the value of blood ties. He urged the observance of the fourth commandment to honor one’s faith and one’s mother. Indeed, Jesus’ personal appreciation of the richness of family life probably inspired in part his use of family images to describe membership in the kingdom of God. At the same time Jesus found it necessary to utter some “hard sayings” about the limitations of human kinship in relationship to “kinship in the kingdom.”

 

Jesus taught that kinship with him did not provide the key for entrance into the kingdom, but rather doing the will of God. When a woman cried out, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts that you sucked!” (Lk 11:27), Jesus replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it.!” (Lk 11:28). Again, Jesus taught: “Call no man father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven” (Mt 23:9), and “you have one teacher, and you are all [brothers and sisters]” (Mt 23:8). Even if Jesus is here referring to the use of professional titles the deeper implication is that obedience to God is primary and that all human commitments are to be measured in the light of commitment to God. Jesus taught in an uncompromising way that certain attachments to kin could even block entry into the kingdom of God. “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters . . . . he cannot be my disciple” (Lk 14:26).

 

Jesus did not exclude his relatives from the kingdom, but, as with all others, he called them to undergo a conversion, to humble themselves, to enter into the kingdom of God and to accept as equals in the kingdom the poor, the outcasts, the tax collectors, the prostitutes. Jesus asked his brothers and sisters in the flesh to make a basic option, to choose for him and his message rather than against him Jesus was speaking of the need to confront this option when he said that he had come not to bring peace, but a sword, “to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother” (Mt 10:34-35). Jesus called everyone to “face the sword of deciding,” the “sword that divides the believer from the non-believer.” The fruit of a positive decision is entrance into a new family, the “kinship of the kingdom” in which all are equals as children of God and brothers and sisters of Jesus.

 

In sum, then, what kind of a brother was Jesus to his brother and sisters by blood? He was a brother who loved his own family enough to invite them to share in the deepest secrets of his heart, to discover his beloved “abba” as their own “abba,” to enter into the kingdom of the “abba.” Jesus did not disavow his brothers and sisters in the flesh, but he asked them to look beyond the narrow confines of kinship and to become members of a new, universal family. The love of blood relatives for one another in this new family is not extinguished or diminished but deepened. And everyone who enters into the new family of the kingdom of God acquires a whole multitude of new brothers and sisters as well. (Bernard J. Tyrrell, Christointegretation: The Transforming Love of Jesus Christ [New York: Paulist Press, 1989], 78-79)

 

From all the above, it should be clear that Joe Heschmeyer is not an honest actor. Not all Catholic apologists are lacking in intellectual honesty, but he clearly is misrepresenting the facts in order to deceive people into thinking Roman Catholic Mariology is something which it is not: based on exegesis of the Bible and reflective of the theology of the earliest Christians. "Shameless" is apropos to describe Heschmeyer.

  

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