Saturday, March 1, 2025

Mike Thomas Attempts to Support Sola Scriptura (but won't debate informed critics of sola scriptura)


. . . Robert Boylan operates on an academic level that most Christians would not find useful.–Mike "the yellow" Thomas


Mike Thomas recently posted a new article, "The Book of Mormon: When The Bible Isn’t Enough." What struck my interest is that this was posted shortly after he refused to debate me on the topic of Sola Scriptura//the formal sufficiency of the 66 books of the Bible. See:


Mike Thomas (Director of Reachout Trust) Openly Admits Not Being Willing to Debate Informed Latter-day Saints


Thomas relies upon the "black hole" theory forwarded by the Tanners (who got it, in part, from Lamb's 1887 book). For a thorough refutation of this, see:


Matthew P. Roper, Jerald and Sandra Tanner, Covering Up the Black Hole in the Book of Mormon


Idem, A Black Hole That's Not So Black


Idem, Unanswered Mormon Scholars


John A. Tvedtnes, Review of Covering Up the Black Hole in the Book of Mormon (1990), by Jerald and Sandra Tanner


Idem, Review of Answering Mormon Scholars: A Response to Criticism of the Book “Coving Up the Black Hole in the Book of Mormon” (1994), by Jerald and Sandra Tanner


 For further reading on issues relating to the Bible and other topics, see:


Listing of articles refuting Mike Thomas and Tony Brown of Reachout Trust


and


Not By Scripture Alone: A Latter-day Saint Refutation of Sola Scriptura (e.g., discusses John 20:21 and the other proof-texts Thomas abuses to support formal sufficiency of the Bible)


I am again calling upon people to contact Mike Thomas at reachouttrust1@gmail.com to debate me in a moderated debate on the Protestant doctrine of Sola Scriptura.

 

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April D. DeConick on 1 John 4:2

  

The presbyter emphasizes that only those who confess that “Jesus Christ has come in the flesh (᾽Ιησοῦν Χριστὸν ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα)” is to be counted among the children of God. Never have there been more misunderstood words than these. They have been (mis)understood again and again as solid evidence that the secessionists were docetists. But this is only because our ‘academic’ histories of early Christology have been so controlled by the needs, perceptions and polemics of conventional Christianity, even today, that the traditional Christological categories have not allowed us to see clearly what was going on.

 

The cry “in the flesh” was not the presbyter’s cry against the docetism of the secessionists, since he is merely referring to the prologue of the Gospel of John which I assume the secessionists knew too. As far as I have been able to determine, there is no literary-critical evidence that “the Word became flesh” is a post-secessionist addition to the opening hymn. The secessionists must have been familiar with it. This means that the problem was over the interpretation of the passage. What did it mean that the Logos became flesh? It appears to me that the presbyter took the meaning of this passage to be ensoulment, that the Logos descended into flesh at Jesus’ birth and functioned as Jesus’ soul. Or to put it another way, the Logos was born as Jesus’ psyche in flesh – in bones and blood. Thus I take 1 John 5:6 to be the presbyter’s testimony about Jesus’ advent, that the Logos did not just come down and possess Jesus at his baptism, “by the water only (ἐν τῷ ὕδατι μόνον).” Rather Jesus came into being through both water and blood (δι’ ὕδατος καὶ αἵματος), through baptism and birth. The presbyter argues that Jesus’ advent through water and blood is proven by the presence of the Spirit, which is one with the water and the blood. The claim the presbyter is making is that somehow the Spirit became unified with Jesus’ flesh at birth, as well as at baptism.

 

This suggests that the secessionists were arguing that the reference to the Logos becoming flesh should be understood as the possession of the man Jesus by a great spirit from above at his baptism, “by the water only.” This is an entirely different Christological model, and a very old one at that. This model had developed out of the prophetic tradition, which understood that God’s Spirit could anoint righteous men, resting in them with every generation. This model forms the basis for the Christology in the Gospel of Mark, which uses εἱς to describe Jesus’ possession by the spirit. But remnants of it are also found in the other synoptics and the Gospel of John, which all record the descent of the spirit at Jesus’ baptism and the release of his spirit at the crucifixion. The Gospel of John preserves a saying that must have been of interest to the secessionists: “This is indeed the prophet-who-is-to-come into this world!” (April D. DeConick, “Who is Hiding in the Gospel of John? Reconceptualizing Johannine Theology and the Roots of Gnosticism,” in Histories of the Hidden God: Concealment and Revelation in Western Gnostic, Esoteric, and Mystical Traditions, ed. April D. DeConick and Grand Adamson [Gnostica Texts & Interpretations; New York: Routledge, 2013], 18-19)

 

 

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