Sunday, June 14, 2026

Joseph F. Fantin on Romans 13:1-7

  

First, the passage was written to a community without power providing instruction on how to live in peace with the ruling power. The powerless nature of the early church is often lost on modern readers. Few of us have experienced this in any meaningful manner. Living in a society in which one has little or no power demands that one (or a group) negotiate one’s place in a very careful manner.

 

Second, can it be assumed that the government authorities mentioned in Rom. 13:1-7 can be representative of all governments at any time? The Roman government had a specific role in the functioning of the empire. In many ways this was much more limited than governments today. Although the Roman empire demanded allegiance of its subjects and settled a large range of matters for its people, it was not involved in many of the activities of many present governments (e.g. health care, copyright laws, etc.). I am not suggesting that the roles of modern governments are wrong or that we should adopt a Roman-style government. I am merely pointing out that the role of the government of Rome was different in some ways from the roles of governments today. Can we assume that the more expansive role for government today could be assumed under the commands in passages like Romans 13?

 

Third, the reason for the instruction must be considered. In this passage and other passages in the New Testament that seem to instruct obedience to government, the focus is not obedience for its own sake but obedience as a means of minimizing conflict in order for Christians to focus on Christ. Thus, the primary concern is not good citizenship but Christian peace and survival. This does not remove the aspect of obedience but puts it in perspective. As introduced in the discussion of Romans 13 in Chapter 1. Stanley Porter suggests that this passage instructs obedience to just authorities but permits disobedience to unjust authorities. This maintains the biblical directive and provides Christians with the ability to respond to unjust rule.

 

Fourth, the rulers are not the addressees of this passage, and it is unlikely that it was ever intended for use by authority. If the paradigm in other Pauline literature can serve as an example, the author’s method is to address parties concerning their own responsibilities. Husbands are told to love their wives and wives are told to respect their husbands; children are told to obey their parents and parents are told to avoid provoking their children; and slaves are told to obey their masters and masters are told to treat their slaves well (Eph. 5.22-6.9; Col. 3.18-4.1). The author does not instruct husbands that they should be respected, wives that they should be loved, slaves that they should be treated well and so on. It seems that if Romans followed this pattern, authorities would be instructed to be just, avoid abuse and the like. This is the Old Testament and Apocrypha example (Dan. 4.24-37; Wis. 6.1-11). However, authorities are not addressed explicitly because they were not among the addressees.

 

Fifth, as discussed in Chapter 3, it is generally believed that Nero’s reign before approximately 60 CE was rather fair. Thus, it can be argued that this moderate rule should be supported by the readers. Failure to pay taxes or other disruptive acts could only harm the Christian community. After the decline in Nero’s reign and his persecution of Christians, would Paul have written this? We cannot know. Also, it is not possible to know if Paul would have modified his teaching if he wrote later. We cannot know how ‘good’ this period actually was for Christians. Nor can we assume that Paul was not thinking universally (some emperors will be good, others bad—all should be obeyed in the same way). Nevertheless, in light of Paul’s belief in an imminent Christ event (e.g. 1 Thess. 4.16-5.4), the local nature of much of his writing and the lack of such teaching in the context of known persecution, we cannot assume that this teaching would be applied in other circumstances.

 

The study here suggests that Paul challenges the living emperor for the role of supreme lord of all, including the Roman empire. Christ, not Caesar, is supreme lord. Passages such as Phil. 2.9-11 suggest that this is more than the personal lord of an individual Christian. IT is universal lordship. If I am correct to see a polemic in Rom. 10.9, it is likely the reader is urged already to view the living emperor as a subordinate lord to Christ, the supreme lord. This seems reinforced by Rom. 13.1b-c, 4. The emperor’s (and the government’s) role is to accomplish God’s will on earth. What is to be done if God’s usurped? To a powerless community like the one to which Paul wrote, little can be done. We simply do not know if this instruction would have been different if the recipients could have responded in a different manner of were under different circumstances (i.e. active persecution). What we do know is that Paul saw a role for government. This is supported by the observation made above in the discussion of 1 Cor. 12.3. The polemic is stated only in the positive: Jesus is Lord. There is no instruction to curse Caesar. For Paul, Caesar and government play a role in Christ’s administration of his lordship—even though the government to which he was subject could be unpredictable and cruel. IT appears that at the time Paul wrote Romans, things were fairly good. However, this could change rapidly, as it did a few years later when Nero blamed Christians for the fire in Rome. Nevertheless, the Roman authorities were established by God (Rom. 13.1c).

 

The word κυριος is not used in Rom. 13.1-7. Nevertheless, the relational elements we have described earlier are in place. The people are subordinate to government, and the government and the people are subordinate to God. Romans 13 was not intended to be used by governments to justify the abuse of their subjects. Any such (ab)use should be resisted by those who submit to Paul’s supreme lord.

 

What, then, does Paul say to rulers and governments? It has already been noted that the addressees of Romans 13 do not include the government as an institution of rulers. It is an instruction to the government. Again, what does Paul say to rulers and governments? When one surveys his writings, one finds very little that could be used as specific instruction to governing authorities. This is generally the case in much of the New Testament. Matthew 25.31-46 presents a story in which nations will be judged based on their treatment of others. Nations in this story are judged based on their active kindness and mercy. Even the clearly anti-imperial Apocalypse emphasizes judgment based on how nations treat people, especially the people of God. There is a theme of judgment against idolatry, but this too seems to be somewhat related to how people are treated. The nation that forces people into idolatry is harming the people. This is not to minimize the anti-idolatry theme, but it seems there is an interrelationship between treatment of people and idolatry.

 

As noted above, the recipients of Paul’s letters were generally not in a position of power. Thus, the need did not arise for instruction. However, it is possible that Paul, as a Jewish teacher (and other New Testament writers), assumed Old Testament principles directed to the nations. The nations were judged in light of how they treated others. This often meant the Jews (e.g. Jeremiah 46-51; Ezekiel 25-32; Amos 1). However, both the nations and Jewish states were judged on their treatment of others (e.g. Amos 1-2). There is judgment for unfaithfulness to Yahweh, but this is primarily (although not exclusively) a judgment against the Jewish states (e.g. Hosea). The notion in Romans 13 of government being raised up and used for God’s will is throughout Old Testament teaching (e.g. 2 Chron. 36.22-23; Isa. 45.1; Jer. 25.9).

 

If one wishes to ask what Paul would say to the rulers and governments, it does not seem a stretch to suggest that he would instruct rulers and governments to rule with justice, kindness and mercy. They must take of their own people, especially those without means, and be kind to outsiders. One might even add that they should not hinder believers in their worship of God nor demand loyalty reserved for God. In all types of modern forms of government, it seems easy to overlook the voiceless in one’s own society and to ignore any negative consequences of policies on those outside of one’s own state. Christ is κυριος, and God has established governments to exercise authority on earth. They rule at his pleasure. This is what rules should be thinking about. They should not be using passages like Romans 13 to force people to submit to them. (Joseph F. Fantin, The Lord of the Entire World: Lord Jesus, a Challenge to Lord Caesar? [New Testament Monographs 31; Sheffield: Sheffield Phoenix Press, 2011], 262-65)

 

An Example of Early Latter-day Saints Discussing Differing Interpretations of the "Sticks" of Ezekiel 37 (October 27, 1844)

Recently, some of the Nauvoo-era William Clayton journals have been released by a critic of the Church. The entry for Sunday, October 27, 1844 reads, in part (*):

 

P.M I attended the High Priest quorum. The subject of the two sticks was discussed but concluded that we none of us knew the full meaning of the language but the opinion is that the stick of Joseph refers to the Records of all the scattered tribes except Judah.

 

It appears that early LDS did not believe that the “stick” of Ephraim was exhausted by the Book of Mormon. See also D&C 27:5, where the Book of Mormon is not the stick but instead is the record of the stick of Ephraim.

 

(*) my thanks to my friend Jacob Vidrine for making me aware of this entry


Further Reading:


Ezekiel 37 and the Book of Mormon

Why Do Latter-day Saints Leave the Church? Dan Ellsworth Responds to Torn

 

Why Do Latter-day Saints Leave the Church? Dan Ellsworth Responds to Torn







Terry L. Johnson (Reformed): Paul is using David as an Example of a Justified Person in Romans 4:6-8 (cf. Psalm 32)

 Commenting on Rom 4:6-8 (cf. Psa 32):

 

The ‘blessed’ man is one ‘to whom God reckons righteousness’, and that ‘apart from works’. Notice the apostle’s point. It is not as though justification by faith alone were an article of faith taught in a single obscure place. He points to Abraham and David as examples of those in whom the addition and subtraction of justification have been experienced. Their sins were forgiven’, ‘covered’ and ‘not taken into account’, what we have termed the ‘subtraction’ of justification. They were also ‘recknon(ed) righteous’, what we have called the ‘addition’ of justification. All that has been done ‘apart from works’. These ‘case studies’ of Abraham and David are cited as examples of what is true throughout the whole Old Testament. (Terry L. Johnson, The Case for Traditional Protestantism: The Solas of the Reformation [Edinburgh: The Banner of Truth Trust, 2004], 89)

 

To see how this is a “self-own” as the kids would say, see the discussion of King David and his re-justification at:


Response to a Recent Attempt to Defend Imputed Righteousness

 

 

"Elias" as a "Forerunner" in the Revelations of Antonio A. Feliz (Restoration Church of Jesus Christ)

I am always interested in how other Restorationist groups use “Elias” to denote a forerunner, not simply OT Elijah (cf. “Elias” as a “forerunner” in LDS Scripture).

 

As background, Antonio A. Feliz served as president of "The Church of Jesus Christ of All Latter-day Saints," later renamed "Restoration Church of Jesus Christ." The following comes from The Book of the Little Flock, comp. Evan Sharley (2026)

 

"Hidden Treasures and Promises," Section 24:11 (May 15, 1986):

 

11. For, my son, thou art called with a call of Elias, yea, even to be my Messenger unto the saints of the latter-days that they may return unto Me and also that they may lift up their eyes from their downtrodden places and that they may reach up unto The Most High from beneath the shadow of their guilt. (p. 143)

 

"The Book of the First Presidents," Section 7: (February 13, 1987):

 

19. Even now, my Holy Spirit is moving upon the people of the earth in these things; for it is by my Holy Spirit that they know of the need to seek to begin their path of exaltation unto the Terrestrial. Be thou, therefore - together with those of my Holy Priesthood who will join with thee - as one with the spirit and calling of Elias - even my messenger - unto them. Even so, amen. (p. 218)

 

 

Saturday, June 13, 2026

Hyrum M. Smith and Janne M. Sjodahl: "the Holy Spirit does not quote the Scriptures, but gives Scripture"

 Commenting on D&C 59:5-6:

 

5-6. Our Lord has declared that these are the greatest commandments in the Law, because upon them “hang” all the Law and the Prophets. The Word of God presupposes and depends on love of God and fellowmen. If there is no such love, laws and instructions are of but little avail.

 

Heart, might, mind, and strength] “Heart” stands for “emotions,” “sentiment.” “Might” here stands for “soul,” the term used in Matthew 22:37, and means the spiritual faculties. “Mind” refers to the intellect, and “strength” to the physical attributes. This commandment enjoins on us to love our heavenly Father so that our entire beings—our emotions, our spiritual faculties, our mental and physical activities are all devoted to Him and His service.

 

In Deuteronomy 6:5, the great commandment reads “Heart,” “soul,” and “might”; Matthew has, “Heart,” “soul,” and “mind”; Mark has, “Heart,” “soul,” “mind,” and Luke, “Heart,” “soul,” “strength,” and “mind.” In the Doctrine and Covenants the text differs somewhat from all. When the Spirit of the Lord speaks through a human instrument, He acts independently, even when proclaiming truths formerly revealed. Strictly speaking, the Holy Spirit does not quote the Scriptures, but gives Scripture. (Hyrum M. Smith and Janne M. Sjodahl, The Doctrine and Covenants: Containing Revelations Given to Joseph Smith Jr., the Prophet, with an Introduction and Exegetical Notes [Salt Lake City: The Deseret News Press, 1945], 438-49, emphasis in bold added)

 

Kenneth Wilson (Protestant) vs. Common Proof-Texts for Believers Having Immediate Union with Christ At Death" (e.g., Hebrews 9:27)

  

Immediate union with Christ occurs at death

 

Protestants cite numerous scriptures claiming these teach immediate union with Christ upon death. These include Heb 9:27, “And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment.” (NASB) After death God judges people. Nothing infers when that judgment will occur. If I say, “I am going to eat ice cream after I arrive home,” that does not mean I will immediately open the freezer and eat ice cream. I may want to eat dinner prior to eating dessert tonight. I may want to spend time with my wife discussing her day. Claiming that this verse proves an immediate blissful abode with Christ cannot withstand scrutiny. Additionally, “after that the judgment” does not sound particularly blissful. Judgment comes prior to Christ’s embrace. How is that immediate union?

 

Another passage cited by Protestants is 2 Cor 5:6-8. “So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.” (ESV) Many authors miss the context by neglecting the verses that follow: “So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.” (2 Cor 5:9-10) Death inevitably produces a meeting with God, but again, no time frame is provided. Christ’s judgment seat does not appear to generate bravery unless you are pleasing the Lord by obeying him (1 John 2:28). Judgment precedes union. (The judgment seat of Christ may occur at each individual’s death rather than postponed until the Great White Throne judgment)

 

Phil 1:21-24 has also been used. “For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if to live in the flesh,--if this shall bring fruit from my work, then what I shall choose I know not. But I am a strait betwixt the two, having the desire to depart and be with Christ; for it is very far better: yet to abide in the flesh is more needful for your sake.” (ASV) Paul’s desire to be with Christ after death in no way proves he is ushered directly into Christ’s arms upon dying. A judgment must precede it. This verse does not support immediate bliss with Christ after death.

 

In Rev 6:9-11, Christian martyrs plead with God for judgment upon their killers. “And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a great voice, saying, ‘How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?’” (DRA) This is one of the stronger arguments but still falls short. Scripture does not tell us anything about what transpired between death and the martyrs being under the altar. No immediacy exists. This does not imply soul sleep, although bodily sleep is evident elsewhere (e.g., 1 Cor 11:29-30; 1 Thess 4:13-18).

 

Similarly, the saints who are martyred in the Great Tribulation indeed stand before God to serve Him. But the text does not state they went immediately to God’s Throne.

 

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes . . . So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation [της θλιψεως της μεγαλης], and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple.” (Rev 7:9-15, NKJV)

 

The words of Christ to the thief (Luke 23:34) could possibly limit a delay into Christ’s presence to a single day. “Then he said, ‘Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!’ And He said to him, ‘I assure you: Today you will be with Me in paradise.’” (HCSB) This assumes that paradise was incorporated into “Heaven” after Christ’s resurrection. It cannot be proven. IT also assumes the thief experienced immediate bliss instead of a preceding judgment “today.” It is unlikely the thief entered Paradise bypassing Christ’s judgment of his works, since Scripture teaches judgment must occur. Therefore, no Scripture states that immediately upon death we are at peace with Christ. In fact, repeatedly in scripture, a judgment of our deeds occurs prior to that intimacy with Christ. (Kenneth Wilson, The Purgatory Principle for Protestants: How God’s Purifying Judgment and Mercy Answer Injustice [Montgomery, Tex.: Regula Fidei Press, 2023], 76-79)

 

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