Tuesday, February 18, 2025

Creation and Revelation 4:11

In light of the parallel between Rev 4:11b and Daniel 4:37 (LXX; Dan 4:35 in Theod.), Gregory Beale noted that:

 

ἦσαν καὶ ἐκτίσθησαν (“they were and they were created”) has been interpreted to mean that creation existed in the mind of God before he actually began to create, or the two verbs could be synonymous (a hendiadys), stressing the fact that God created “all things.” It may be best to view the first verb as referring to the ongoing preservation of the created order and the second to the inception of creation: “they continually exist and have come into being.” The meanings of the verbs themselves and not merely their tenses show this difference of nuance. (G. K. Beale, The Book of Revelation: A Commentary on the Greek Text [New International Greek Testament Commentary; Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans,1999], 335)

 

For a Latter-day Saint interpretation of this verse, consider the following:


 

thou hast created all things/you created all things: The scriptures make it clear that God’s creative acts are not the creation of things ex nihilo (out of nothing) but rather the organization of eternally existing physical matter, spirit matter, and intelligence all in accordance with eternally existing laws (See D&C 93:29, 33; 131:7–8; Abr. 3:18, 24). The Greek word translated “create” (κτίζω, ktizō) means “to found, build, produce.”

 

for thy pleasure they are and were created/by your will they came into existence and were created: The last phrase of this verse is difficult to translate. It appears that John wrote, καὶ διὰ τὸ θέλημά σου ἦσαν καὶ ἐκτίσθησαν (kai dia to thelēlma sou ēsan kai ektisthēsan), literally, “and according to your will they were and were created.” The problem is how can something exist before it was created. To solve the problem, ancient scribes have created a number of variants. (Some scribes add οὐκ (ouk, “not”) before ἦσαν (ēsan, “were”) while others replace ἦσαν with εἰσίν (eisin, “are”).) For example, some scribes inserted an οὐκ (ouk), “not,” before ἦσαν (ēsan), “were,” thus allowing the text to read, “they were not and were created.” This reading gave force to the idea of creation ex nihilo, but it has very little manuscript support and can, therefore, be rejected as the original reading. One scholar, taking the words as they stand, argued, “This unusual phrase suggests that all things which are, existed first in the eternal will of God and through his will came into actual being at his appointed time.” The best way to understand John’s intent seems to be to take the kai as epexegetical so that the last verb acts to specify the action of the first. In this way it would read, “they came into existence and were created,” as in the Rendition. (Richard D. Draper and Michael D. Rhodes, The Revelation of John the Apostle [BYU New Testament Commentary Series; Provo, Utah: BYU Studies, 2013], 143-44)

 

So creation ex nihilo (or ex materia) is not in view in this particular text: as with Col 1:15-20, it is about how God “created” and continues to uphold creation.

 

Contrary to one bald-face liar who has attempted to use this text to support the doctrine of creation out of nothing, Blake Ostler (who has written a scholarly work on the topic) noted that:

 

Ortner's reliance on Rev 4:11 is just eisegesis without actual support from the text. The verb ēsan (ἦσαν) cannot be read to support creation of nothing because it is not within the semantic filed of the verb at all. The suggestion that it is linked to the ego eimi statements is truly ridiculous -- in the verb form used it has nothing to do with such claims of divine being or existence at all. The verb ἐποίησεν means "to construct or build" using materials and in no way "connotes" or refers to creating without materials. His argument is simply not a good argument.

 

The attempted defense of this dogma was so bad, one former Latter-day Saint even wrote this article against it, noting (correctly) that the Bible does not teach it: one gets the doctrine from external sources (in the case of Catholicism, the dogmatic decree of the Fourth Lateran Council [1215]).

 


 

 

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