Monday, February 10, 2025

Jeff Grupp on Jonah 2:5-6

   

The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever (לְעוֹלָ֑ם); yet has thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God. (Jonah 2:5-6)

 

The word used to describe Jonah’s time in the belly of the sea beast (verse 2: “belly of hell” AKJV, “the depth of Sheol” NASB, “belly of Sheol” for NKJV, to give a few examples) is “forever,” and as stated, from what I can tell, this is the word (“forever”) used in virtually every Bible translation, ancient to modern: all of them discuss Jonah existing in some sort of state of forever.

 

But what is quite notable is that Jonah’s time (“forever”) of being in the underworld, where he is in a fainting-annihilation state, is that this time of “forever” was only for three days. This is precisely the situation we saw above: the annihilation of the consciousness and/or soul is discussed as being forever (everlasting, eternal, etc.), but it is not, since on the timeline, it is only a gap between two lives: a corrupted life, and a life coming out of corruption. It does not appears that Jonah’s time in the underworld, the deep, was leading into the Eschaton, and this reveals that people can go in-and-out of annihilation phases, before the annihilation phase that leads into the Eschaton (which is the annihilation phase that immediately follows body-death). But our concern here is not that, but rather is why Jonah was described as being in the underworld forever, when he was only there for three days.

 

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. . . in Jonah chapter 2, we see that a three-day span is referred to as being forever, where critics of Scripture may claim this is a contradiction: unending time happening within finite amount of time. But the paradox appears only if one is only considering infinity of experience to be to have a temporal duration, flowing across and through the horizontal timeline, rather than being a break, a gap, in the timeline, functioning as some sort of an underworld interruption to Jonah’s traversing the timeline: a temporal deepening, of time moving vertically downward, and into the timestream/timeline, or like a ceasing (like a hole or pit) in the timeline, in the stream of consciousness. This vertical infinity we are defining as being the underworld state, or annihilation state, between the two time-points of (1) the fainting, or the loss of consciousness and ceasing to exist of the consciousness and/or soul before salvation, and (2) the resurrection of the self, the soul, for the infinity of the afterlife on the other side. Regardless of its nature, it is described as “forever” in Jonah 2. (Jeff Grupp, "Evangelical Calvinist Universal Salvation: The Unchosen Saved by the Consuming Fire (YHWH) at the Eschaton" [MA Thesis; The Seminary at Lincoln Christian University, April 2023], 86. 87-88)

 

One was reminded of Mosiah 27:28, 31; Alma 36:18, 29, as well as D&C 76:33, 44 (the current text reads in eternity, but the original manuscript reads throughout eternity).

 

 

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